Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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WE HAD A CADET VISIT US ON THE FIRING RANGE, AND NOT ONE OF US EVER SALUTED HIM, NOR WERE WE COMMANDED TO.
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Just remind them of the average lifespan of new 2nd LT’s in Vietnam and how their inexperience lead to their early demise. Many forget that education does not equal intelligence and certainly doesn’t equal experience. As for respect, I only have to respect the rank per regulations, respect for the person is earned.
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Cadets do not out rank the NCO. They are not in the chain of command nor in the rank structure. There is a level of respect but that's as far as it goes until he/she commits to serve in the military. Don't be confused!
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SPC David C.
AR 600-20 doesn't agree with you. https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
Yes, Sergeant, Actually That West Point Cadet Does Outrank You - Modern War Institute
Scott Faith argues that contrary to popular belief West Point and ROTC cadets outrank NCO's according to Army Command Policy.
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In AIT I was asked to be in charge of the GI's in our room. We agreed on the chores we picked to accomplish each day before morning inspection. I told them, as long as they completed their part they would not hear from me. I never had to say a word. I did my daily chore and we passed daily inspections. The other squad leaders could be heard yelling at their squads to do this and that. Some people just like to be the boss. I received an ARCOM for doing things that needed to be done, with out being asked or yelled at.
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Only stupid cadets would question their claim they out ranked NCOs! Most don’t know shit!
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Moot. A 2LT outranks me and ill put a 2LT in their place with approval from the entire battalion. You can quite literally haze a 2LT and get complete approval from the LTC, safety, and probably the IG all at the same time. So imagine a cadet doing this.
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By law a cadet who has successfully completed Advance Camp is an officer without rank and outrank any NCO. That's why we call the Did our Maham! A cadet in the AMP program has similar status although I never confirmed the by law status when I was an Army ROTC instructor. This goes back to the early 1800s when 5he Army had designs before they were commissioned.
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MSgt John Ingersoll
Not in the US Air Force, sorry.
Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
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Yes, there is a precedence case back in the formation of the Navy where a Warrant Officer and a Cadet got into a beef and it was ruled that the Cadet out ranks even the Warrant Officer.
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MSgt John Ingersoll
Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
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Cadets have NO AUTHORITY to outrank an NCO, or give orders to an NCO! That is according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice! UCMJ) H James Hulton III, former Captain, USAF, North Wales, PA 19454
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MSgt John Ingersoll
PO2 Lawrence Moody - Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
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SPC David C.
Yes, Sergeant, Actually That West Point Cadet Does Outrank You - Modern War Institute
Scott Faith argues that contrary to popular belief West Point and ROTC cadets outrank NCO's according to Army Command Policy.
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No they don't, not until they raise their right hand and swear to support and defend the constitution. I discovered the day before I was commissio0ned a 2ndLt that I had to sign a piece of paper at the ROTC detachment. I went in and read it and it said that I was officially discharged from the enlisted ranks of the USAF. I said what? The TSGT that was also the clerk said, "Oh yes, you had an AFSC (MOS) to be a bomb jammer on F-105s at Tan San Nuht airbase in the Republic of South Vietnam. He said that wnen I accpted an ROTC scholarship, I had an obligation the the people of the US since they were now footing the bill on my eductaion. If I had read the fine print a couple of years earlier, I would have been somewhat more diligent in my studies.
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PO2 Lawrence Moody
Not sure about ROTC, But those at the Academies, though not in the chain of command , do out rank NCO's and Warrant Officers
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MSgt John Ingersoll
PO2 Lawrence Moody - Not in the US Air Force, Sorry! I was stationed at the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs for 3 years as an E-7.
Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
Not technically or any other way does a non-military, civilian, cadet outrank anyone other than other cadets. No then, in June when the cadets have sworn to the "oath" and received "Class is Dismissed" are they officially in the military and have the rank of 2d Lt.
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