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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SFC Grant Ross
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If you’re around Cadets I would recommend taking the opportunity to educate them on being humble and training them to be a leader, but they’re still Cadets and hold no official rank according to DoD. I’d happily crush a Cadet any day if they pressed their luck. As a former BOLC instructor our roles as NCOs can be impactful for future and young Officers.
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PO1 John Pokrzywa
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No. Cadets are entitled to customs and courtesies, however they do not technically "outrank" NCOs. A cadet is an Officer *candidate*. Not an Officer.
They are not commissioned, have not taken their oath, and some, may not make it that far.
Treat them with respect? Yes. There are customs and courtesies required by every service; but like other college students they do not "outrank" anyone but other cadets, until they are commissioned.
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SSG David Ursini
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When I was a Midshipman, it was believed that Cadets/Midshipman fell in between W01 and W02. But, no Cadet or Midshipman would be saluted by an NCO unless the Cadet or Midshipman had earned a MOH or DSC!
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SFC Jeff Garner
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No.
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SSG Senior Desk Sergeant / Operations Sergeant
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They think they do hahahahahaha #entitlement
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SCPO Steven Pierce
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Edited 6 y ago
This question is a little misleading. It would be more accurate to ask, "Does a military cadet or midshipman have the authority to issue a lawful order to an enlisted service member?" Consider, an NCO is outranked only by more senior NCOs (by rank or date of rank), and by officers holding either a commission from the President or a warrant from their service Secretary. To my knowledge, cadets and midshipmen are neither commissioned nor warrant officers; so the answer is no, cadets and midshipmen do not have the authority to issue lawful orders to enlisted military personnel. While officer candidates and ROTC cadets can receive military pay (stipend) at certain rates, their paygrade does not constitute a military rank. This seems why there is a distinction between paygrade and rank so that questions like this one can be properly answered. I hope this helps.
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SFC Financial Management Technician
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No cadets do not out rank NCOs. Some have not completed basic training and/or AIT(BOLOC). I do understand they need to get advice from the officers. But they have not made there commission. They get paid at the E5 or E6 rank while they a cadet.
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SPC Kevin Walker
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I was a enlisted cannoneer in the early 1970s and we trained cadets in artillery and at that time they had no rank sometimes you would git a smart ass one but most the time they respected that we trying to teach them
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SPC Ron Salsbury
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ROTC or Cadet did not mean much to the Crew Chief on board the Helicopter, the only one who had more respect or authority to us than any young Officer or Warrent, was the Vietnam Veteran Pilots, they were Gods to us; spots we laughed at until they earned their respect.
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Maj Earl Tilford
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Senior cadets I taught at the Air Force Academy thought they outranked junior officers, or at least acted like they did. I taught there as a captain. Dooleys (freshmen) and second and their year cadets were okay but those seniors actually believed the horseshit fed them about out "special" they were. On the first day of class chocked full of seniors, I noticed how slowly they stood to attention. I stopped, said, "Take your seats. I'm going out and coming back in. You try coming to attention." They did. I explained that until they made chairman of the joint chiefs, they were going to do a lot of coming to attention.
My first assignment as a lieutenant was in Southeast Asia where a Polish refugee senior NCO always called me, his second lieutenant "Sir." And with the very respectful tone of, "If the lieutenant will allow me, sir...." kept my ass out of trouble and taught me a lot more than I thought I could ever have imagined. Louis Zaborsky gets my salute any day.
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