Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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No, they have protocol precedence over NCOs, but do not “outrank” them. Cadets have no official rank. They are contracted at an enlisted grade (ROTC usually A1C, and USAFA SSgt).
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After having a hard time recovering from laughing so hard for 20 minutes, here is my take on this question. No. Nope. Not a chance in hell. Cadets are just learning how life in the military. Cadets aren't active duty members yet. They are not commissioned officers yet. So in all actual reality, no cadet out ranks any NCO or enlisted man/woman.
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This has always been an entertaining outcome with cadets. The last time I reviewed the U.S. Military rank insignia chart, cadets didn't show. They're like any other college or boarding school student within our great country. There is a caveat to this, the Army has a regulation AR 600-20 that places these cadets above their NCO's during their senior year on "Cadet Troop Leader Training” or CTLT.
As once an aircrewman I can testify to these situations and how quickly they were squashed. One of the best descriptions of military rank that I have read is that it's a "badge of leadership" or level of it. It is the best interpretation I have read, people learn as they assume leadership positions as they move up the chain of command.
As once an aircrewman I can testify to these situations and how quickly they were squashed. One of the best descriptions of military rank that I have read is that it's a "badge of leadership" or level of it. It is the best interpretation I have read, people learn as they assume leadership positions as they move up the chain of command.
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I'm sorry, but what type of cadet are we talking about here? Because technically they don't out rank anyone if they don't have an actual commission. Unless for some reason they are in ROTC while on active duty, which most of the time they are technically an E-5 or above dependent on what rank they were when they started.
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Respect for cadets is a courtesy! Until they are commissioned a senior cadet only outranks other lessor cadets!
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Cadets, are not commissioned officers... they do not receive their "authority" from the president... They can not issue a direct order... Some have noticable difficulty lacing their boots... That having been said, they're supposed to receive all the military courtesies due a commissioned officer
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Yes, cadets and midshipmen outrank all enlisted personnel. There was a famous case where a midshipman, William Sitgreaves Cox, (still a midshipman but Acting Lieutenant) during the War of 1812 was court-martialed for taking the wounded CO (James Lawrence) belowdecks when that made him technically in command of the ship. President Truman finally cleared his name some 140 years later and restored his rank.
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Col Jonathan Brazee
However, in modern times, midshipmen and cadets are taught to listen and learn. For misdhipmen, we have our "Youngster Cruise" after our plebe/freshman year. We are to do all the jobs of the lowest enlisted sailors so we have an understanding what they go through, and we are strongly advised to pay heed and learn. On my ship, the USS Somers, we had six of us, and one decided he didn't like taking orders from an E2, and he didn't like cleaning heads.
It didn't end up well for him. One night, coming back from the bars on Waikiki, he was waylaid and greased. Well, that is what we think happened. He never admited what was wrong, but there were rumors. And he never tried to order anyone around after that.
Greasing is a serious infraction punishable by brig-time and a DD, but no one pursued the matter, and the midshipman refused to press charges or even identify anyone.
It didn't end up well for him. One night, coming back from the bars on Waikiki, he was waylaid and greased. Well, that is what we think happened. He never admited what was wrong, but there were rumors. And he never tried to order anyone around after that.
Greasing is a serious infraction punishable by brig-time and a DD, but no one pursued the matter, and the midshipman refused to press charges or even identify anyone.
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I was stationed at West Point for a total of seven years in the 1980's and 90's. I was a NOC the entire time. I was in the Military Police Company. Cadets have no rank recognized by the Active Military, the Reserves, or the National Guard. Therefore have no authority over any soldier. They only have authority over other cadet ranks that they outrank. Article 7 of the USMJ identifies those with authority. Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers, NCO's, and On duty Military Police of any rank. It also covers Retirees. Nowhere in the USMJ is the Cadet rank given any authority. So unless something changed in the last 20 years. The answer is no. A Cadet has no authority over any NCO or any Soldier of any Branch of Service.
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I was stationed at West Point for 7 yrs as a NCO the entire time. I was a Military Policeman there. A Cadet at Military Academy has no rank. Only a Cadet Rank. They do not outrank any Soldier in the Military. To include a Private. They can not give orders to anyone other then another Cadet they outrank. Under Article 7 of the UCMJ. It clearly give authority of position and rank. Only Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers, Non Commissioned Officers, and On Duty Military Police Officers of any rank, can give orders. It also covers Retired Military. Nowhere does Article 7 give a Cadet any aer anyone.uthority ov
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