Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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My thoughts on this come from an assumption (and you know how those go...) on my part. Have cadets/midshipmen been "sworn to" the UCMJ? If so, then their status on the totem pole seems secure; if not, then they are not part of the hierarchy. That's my oversimplified version; true? false?
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I was in AFROTC while in college before I eventually enlisted (Long story short, left ROTC to graduate early and tried to go to OTS off the street, didn’t get picked up). From what I remember, we were all the equivalent of E5s in the reserves but at the same time being students had no weight behind our “rank”. We had a few ROTC-nazis but none of them ever tried to throw weight when we were interacting with active duty personnel, which was good.
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Cadets are trainees they do not outrank enlisted personnel during their training ,I.e. NCO's
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A fourth year cadet who has completed all wartime commissioning requirements, is an officer without rank and is addressed as did it maham. I did so in 1977 and was given the courtesy at the 101st Airbornes 3-187 where I had previously been a sergeant.
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Usually goes something like this, that’s nice kid id teach you how to (fill in the blank) but that’s what your waste of space instructor is paid to do, and we walk away with everyone’s jaw agape because indirectly just set the tone for each one of them little future sirs and ma’am’s, and usually leave whomever led the field trip knowing they were in for a ass chewing for letting their, students sorry cadets out of line.
Now When I’m privy to a wise guy cadet I laugh and hop in the midlife crisis mobile after walking away cause civilian life pays way better and serves up none of the bs
Now When I’m privy to a wise guy cadet I laugh and hop in the midlife crisis mobile after walking away cause civilian life pays way better and serves up none of the bs
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SGM Erik Marquez sounds like he has the answer, and appears to know what he is talking about.
However, and I have nothing to back up my comment: From memory, I seem to recall there was/is a regulation referring to the rank being more honorary, as rank is not recognized while in training. The rank doesn't become official, until after training is complete.
Again, that is something I seem to recall. Not anything I have any backing on.
However, and I have nothing to back up my comment: From memory, I seem to recall there was/is a regulation referring to the rank being more honorary, as rank is not recognized while in training. The rank doesn't become official, until after training is complete.
Again, that is something I seem to recall. Not anything I have any backing on.
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Best advice I ever got was from my platoon sergeant on my first assignment as a platoon leader in a Cav Troop (A Troop 2/4 U S Cavalry ) He basically told me that I might be able to earn the respect of the platoon only if I demonstrated the proper leadership qualities and LISTENED to him. I was smart and listened to him and learned more about effective leadership from SFC Arnold than I did in IOBC or any other time in my life. This memory of "the conversation" in the TOE room so many years ago is still vivid. So do cadets out rank all enlisted....ya' they do but if the cadet is smart they won't be that jackass that demeans the rank and file.
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Yea Cadets are fun to watch, I met a West Point cadet after I came back from Vietnam in 1968. We had to teach them how to find the Motor Pool.
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It was my understanding that it was determined by the commander.
We had Cadets that worked with the privates and we had others that would ride out equal to 2nd LTS
We had Cadets that worked with the privates and we had others that would ride out equal to 2nd LTS
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As a former cadet, I can tell you that yes, we technically outrank everyone short of Warrant. However, pushing that issue is much akin to a butterbar having it out with an SGM or CSM, will most likely NOT go well for the cadet. Usually ends with the Old Man/Woman "counseling" said cadet. I was smart enough myself never to cross that line, but I saw others of my classmates do so and it was not pretty. My advice? Be respectful but explain to them where they stand and if they don't like it, to go ask the Old Man/Woman to explain it to them. They might just take your word for it at that point, lol!
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