Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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Technically, only when everyone else is dead....the cadets we are exposed to in peace-time haven't received a commission yet, nor are they O-1's.....BUT....common respect should be afforded to them and from them, but egos should not be included when every other officer or warrant is dead...that's why they get mentioned in AR 600-20
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No they don’t. A cadet isn’t a commissioned officer until they are sworn in. Having dealt with a share of CTLT cadets assigned to a unit it was made clear that the troops will treat them as an officer (they were nicknamed 3LTs) and have the authority that cones with the position they occupy. That isn’t the same as saying they out rank an NCO. Myself was a 1LT that served as the acting BN S3 for a month. The XO told every staff CPT I was the S3 and they were to respect my authority in the position even though I didn’t outrank them.
Bottomline: respect the authority of the cadet for the position they’re given but they need to remember they are cadets not officers. Cadets don’t have UCMJ authority over anyone. Of course those that come from a military academy vs. ROTC will have a differing opinion. I’m ROTC myself.
Bottomline: respect the authority of the cadet for the position they’re given but they need to remember they are cadets not officers. Cadets don’t have UCMJ authority over anyone. Of course those that come from a military academy vs. ROTC will have a differing opinion. I’m ROTC myself.
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Well, on paper, yes, but if they actually try pulling "rank" on seasoned NCOs... Well, let's just say it never goes well for the cadets! Best advice my former officer parents gave me, when I was sworn in with a commission, was to never piss off the NCOs, they can make or break your career!
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Technically, 2LTs outrank the 1SG and CSM, I always cautioned them not to let that go to their heads. I also advised them that if 1SG or CSM ever “asked” them to do something, they do go ahead and comply with the “request”.
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Hell No, those little snot nosed milk toast mo-fo's, have not taken the oath of enlistment nor have they been commissioned. Let's start talking deployments, seniority, and time in service, game on school boy or girl.
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They do technically outrank all Enlisted soldiers. However the reality is very different. They're officers in training so they're essentially 3rd lieutenants or fake NCOs. I did the SMP Program so served in a paygrade of E-5 and was treated like a junior nco. Anyone who lets that technicality go to their head needs to be corrected. Also do not salute them until they've actually commissioned they haven't earned it yet.
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In basic many many moons ago, just salute them to make them feel better. They will go away.
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Actually, no I don’t believe they put rank you. They are a student from a university. Ask them to show you the regulations. Guaranteed they will give you that stupid look. You earned your stripes you didn’t pay for them.
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