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I was made a Corporal at the beginning of the month. I know NCOER stands for Non-Commissioned Officer Evaluation Report. However, I don't see Corporals very often so I'm not sure if they get NCOERs too. If I do how often are they. If not, why? PFC (Join to see) SFC (Join to see) SSG(P) James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth PVT James Strait SGT (Join to see) Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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SSG (Join to see), CPLs can receive NCOERs, but they are not required. Research AR 623-3 and DA PAM 623-3 for the specifics.
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Thank you. Now even though they aren't required, can I request them so i can learn what I'm doing good at and what needs improvement?
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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SSG (Join to see), you can request one, but it is up to your chain of command if they will complete one for you. I suggest you have a conversation with your supervisor.
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SGT Michael Thorin
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I love your response 1SG Steven Stankovich. I’ve always been of the mind that to answer a question is good, but to tell where to go to research it is to give knowledge. SSG (Join to see), your first lesson as a junior NCO is to always find out more than just the answer to your questions, but to find in what manual you need to find it.

This will be what will make or break you as an NCO. Knowing where and how to find these answers using your own research is the most beneficial way to further your military career and receive promotions.

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with asking for the answer to your questions, but to ask where to look to find the answers to your questions will help you more than you can imagine. Memorize what manuals do what. If you do all of this, you will help yourself out more than you will ever know.
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SGT Michael Thorin I asked about three questions in the Army, and I got about 200 questions as answers. “Did you look here? Did you look there? Did you attempt to find the regs? Etc etc etc.” I learned basic Army problem solving pretty quickly.

The goal isn’t to get soldiers to not ask questions. The goal is for soldiers to solve problems at the lowest possible level first. Respectfully, questions like this don’t need to be asked on a public forum. Google “Army regulation NCOER”, hit ‘control F’, type “Corporal” and start reading.

On the other end of the spectrum, if you step on an IED and lose half a leg, you better start asking for help immediately.

You’re absolutely correct. Learning how, when, where and why to ask for help is a critical skill that is much respected by seasoned leaders and far too often overlooked by junior soldiers.
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SGT Michael Thorin
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I don’t disagree with you Sergeant, I tried to emphasize in the end that questions were not a bad thing, but like you said, the goal is to solve questions at the lowest level possible.

While neither of us would have asked the question in this forum unless we had searched and had not found it, you and I also have experience behind us.

I, only as a matter of opinion and not saying that this was the way to go, believe there is nothing wrong with this question having been asked here. Without having asked this question, he would have not received any of this advice, which is what RP was set up for.

As you said, as an NCO you have to be able to solve problems at the lowest level possible. I’m hoping this is also a lesson he will take away, and had he not asked that question, it may have been a long time, if not ever, he heard that in the manner you presented it, which I believe is spot on brother. Without the question, there would have been none of the advice here.

Your analogy on the IED, however, was spot on and I believe a great illustration. Nothing better than using a real world illustration, LOL.
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SGT Michael Thorin - it’s the Army equivalent of ‘crying wolf’. If you start asking for help, god damnit, you better need help. That way, help comes running fast, it will run through a gunfight to get to you, etc...because they know for sure you’re not f*ckin around. ‘He never asks for help. Must be serious. Let’s go’.

If you start asking for help all Willy-nilly...’hey Sarn’t, I need help for X. How do I do Y? Where can I find Z?” When the time comes that PVT Trebek actually needs help, other joes might roll their eyes. And in some situations (like an unfortunate IED), any hesitation or waiting for help to arrive can ensure that your really bad day is really your last day. And that sucks.

*i wish the question would have read, “I was digging into 623-3 and read that Corporals don’t receive NCOERs. If anyone could provide insight as to why not, or how to best prepare for when I get one as a SGT...”
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AR623-3, ch 1-8, d.(2) “NCOs and their appropriate rating officials will use DA Form 2166–9 series (NCOER), DA Form 2166–9–1A, and the electronically generated “Rater Tendency” and “Senior Rater Profile” reports, as applicable.
Note. For corporals (CPLs) only the DA Form 2166–9–1A will be used; no NCOER will be prepared.”
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I'm kind of shocked there were so many responses with no regulation listed.
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