Posted on Aug 26, 2020
Do I have to pass a record apft with the upcoming implementation of the acft?
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I failed a record APFT at the beginning of August, so my 90 days to retake the test will be in November. This is after the implementation of the ACFT in October 1. My question is if I still will have to retake it and pass it. And if I don’t pass it, can I be separated for the APFT failure, even though is not going to be the test of record anymore.
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The APFT is only authorized after 1Oct for SMs who currently have a failed record APFT. Failing to APFTs in a row, if properly counseled, is grounds for separation, if your command team choose to pursue it.
Your best bet is to show improvement or pass.
Your best bet is to show improvement or pass.
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Dude, you gotta get yourself together. You failed diagnostics in April and May, had June and July to prep, and still failed a record in August. If you pass the fitness tests, you don't have to worry about these barracks lawyer questions. Get with your unit MFT to help you will a training plan. If you don't have one, pm me and I can help you with your programming.
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Just work on your running and sit ups. Pass the apft in November. Then say goodbye to it and continue working on the ACFT. You gotta pass your apft or you might be saying bye to your career. You still have 2 months. Even the most out of shape person can meet the standards in 2 months of training. You can do this. Now do the prep work and then go do it.
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You will be required to take another APFT. You are no in the population that failed the APFT when it was required. You can be separated if you do not pass the next APFT. The biggest concern is why you are failing the APFT. This is a very simply test that is far easier than the ACFT. You need to work on your fitness. This is a bad way to start your career.
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Sir, for me the acft is easier because I have more time on the run(near 3 extra minutes), which has been always my struggle. I always max my pushups and get 80+ points in the sit-ups , the run always get me. We even took a diagnostic acft and I passed it without a problem since like I said I have extra time on the 2 mile run. Anything that measure strength I can pass without a problem with a good score. This the reason I asked if I can get a passing score on the acft on October without retaking the apft.
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I agree I find the ACFT to be easier (except for the leg tuck)as I can score well above my required scores for all events except the leg tuck. That extra 3.5 minutes for the run is wonderful.
I hate the apft. The sit ups annoy me. The run annoys me. You want to run and check endurance? Let’s throw the full battle rattle on and do a 2 mile jog and see how things go. PV2 (Join to see)
I hate the apft. The sit ups annoy me. The run annoys me. You want to run and check endurance? Let’s throw the full battle rattle on and do a 2 mile jog and see how things go. PV2 (Join to see)
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PV2 (Join to see) - I understand now. The ACFT currently doesn't count and can't be used as a means of separation. So not matter how you score it really doesn't count. The APFT will counts as long as you have a passing score, unless you don't have one. I would say do a some stair stepper for about 20 to 30 minutes a day. You will see your time drop dramatically.
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Unlike all of these ranking NCO’s from the old Army, I won’t bash you for trying to dodge the APFT. While physical fitness is absolutely your duty and obligation to the Army, the APFT is the saddest test of ones physical fitness they could have ever come up with. Quite literally does not quantify in any way the level of physical fitness you have. As for your question, yes you must still pass. The SMA just visited our staff headquarters and had a discussion regarding APFT failures with us. All APFT failures are still required to pass a record APFT, even with the changeover into ACFT. My advice, do everything you can, pass this last test, and forget the APFT ever was the useless test that it is. Good luck
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff SFC, some respondents have been in the army for nearly 2 decades, which is a massive amount of time when it comes to medical research and innovation, all of which has proven the APFT to not only be inadequate, but in some ways harmful. My response was pointed at some old army personnel, not all. The ones using degrading and derogatory reference to the SM physical fitness and ability to perform soldiering tasks based solely on him failing an outdated, silly test.
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It quantifies that he is out of shape or broke if can’t pass the “saddest test of ones physical fitness”.
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1SG (Join to see) Precisely my point SFC. He very may well have physical difficulties, likely caused by this scientifically proven to be damaging test, that would not otherwise prevent him from serving his country as a useful member of our branch of service. I believe it is absolutely reprehensible to degrade a soldier based on almost no information in his inability to pass a test that is outdated due to it not being within reasonable condition to maintain physical fitness. I used to struggle to pass the APFT due to it’s ridiculous requirements. Now I nearly max out the ACFT. Quantifiably, my inability to be successful in conducting APFT’s has not proven me to be any less of a soldier.
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Agree with you, I took a diagnostic Acft and passed without any problem because I have more time on the 2 mile run when compared to the apft. And did better on the other events than peers that used to perform better than me on the apft. But when I am measured with APFT, I am “out of shape“, “fat” or “lazy” but when measured with the new fitness test I have a better overall score than apft “pt studs”. Sounds crazy right?
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Private you have received some quality advice from these NCO’s. My advice to you is to heed that advice. You knew PT and APFT’s would be required of you. Fix yourself soldier and your PT scores.
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The answer is yes, you do. If you look at your Enlistment contract, either the 4/1 or 4/2, there is a paragraph that explains that the Army can change standards and such, as it deems appropriate, at whatever time it wants to. This means that if you failed the old PT standards, and then fail the new PT standards, then it constitutes failing two in a row. As such, it is grounds for separation if the Command chooses to pursue this course of action.
My question to you is, Do you wish to continue your service, and if so, what steps or actions have you taken to remedy your physical deficiencies? Physical readiness is an individual responsibility, your NCO's and Command can assist, but the extra effort is ultimately upon you. Good luck, and prepare yourself.
My question to you is, Do you wish to continue your service, and if so, what steps or actions have you taken to remedy your physical deficiencies? Physical readiness is an individual responsibility, your NCO's and Command can assist, but the extra effort is ultimately upon you. Good luck, and prepare yourself.
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