Posted on Jan 11, 2022
Do I have to sew my name onto my Rucksack and assault pack?
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I was wondering if I am obligated by any regulation to sew my name onto my rucksack and assault pack? I'm still going to do it myself, I just wanted to know if I am obligated to do it.
Posted 3 y ago
Responses: 13
You are obligated to follow orders of your chain of command if they tell you to do it.
How's that for a regulation
How's that for a regulation
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SPC (Join to see) - I gave him simple advice. He's a Specialist, so he should know that answer. I do not believe he has never been told that before. You yourself know that is the answer. I have no filter when it comes to information soldiers were taught in Basic and AIT.
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As for the information at the beginning, do you think it is otherwise?
If so explain here how, "You are obligated to follow orders of your chain of command if they tell you to do it. How's that for a regulation." is untrue.
I also said, "The bar for the question wasn't very high. The next level of advice upward requires more information than provided by the soldier." He has not provided any more information.
You and SPC (Join to see) are not he and do not know what other will be given if he does provide more information.
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As for the information at the beginning, do you think it is otherwise?
If so explain here how, "You are obligated to follow orders of your chain of command if they tell you to do it. How's that for a regulation." is untrue.
I also said, "The bar for the question wasn't very high. The next level of advice upward requires more information than provided by the soldier." He has not provided any more information.
You and SPC (Join to see) are not he and do not know what other will be given if he does provide more information.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley I have a problem with the “how’s that for a regulation”, it’s not a regulation, it’s a snarky quip at someone who is asking a question.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SPC (Join to see) - Got your point. I was attempting to 'jolly' him out of a grievous error.
Sorry you're offended but he mayhap be in violation of Article 92 UCMJ, though I am not sure which violation he may have violated if he did not do the task as his unit COC directed him. A soldier who has reached SPC rank should able to avoid these questions. His use of the word 'Obligated' is a clear give away that he is avoiding saying he received an order (either written in a unit SOP or verbal) and feels he was wronged or it is wrong.
I am not a lawyer thus was uncertain if I could explain particulars to the soldier. If he persists then he could be in violation of Article 92, possibly Article 80.
Specifically he could have :
¶ 3-16-1 – Violation General Order or Regulation.
¶ 3-16-2 – Violating Other Written Order or Regulation.
¶ 3-16-3 – Failure to Obey Lawful Order.
¶ 3-16-4 – Dereliction of Duty.
Hopefully he will not have to this query to legal counsel if he does not comply with the order and his COC will just jolly him along without UCMJ Action.
Sorry you're offended but he mayhap be in violation of Article 92 UCMJ, though I am not sure which violation he may have violated if he did not do the task as his unit COC directed him. A soldier who has reached SPC rank should able to avoid these questions. His use of the word 'Obligated' is a clear give away that he is avoiding saying he received an order (either written in a unit SOP or verbal) and feels he was wronged or it is wrong.
I am not a lawyer thus was uncertain if I could explain particulars to the soldier. If he persists then he could be in violation of Article 92, possibly Article 80.
Specifically he could have :
¶ 3-16-1 – Violation General Order or Regulation.
¶ 3-16-2 – Violating Other Written Order or Regulation.
¶ 3-16-3 – Failure to Obey Lawful Order.
¶ 3-16-4 – Dereliction of Duty.
Hopefully he will not have to this query to legal counsel if he does not comply with the order and his COC will just jolly him along without UCMJ Action.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley - I get your point, and in many situations it's warranted. That said, having worked the legal eagle side of things, I am not surprised when Soldiers ask questions similar to this. I say this because as it turns out and I'm sure we've all bared witness, a lot of morons achieved stripes or brass.
I have watched SNCO's and FG's not know the regulations they preach, abuse Soldiers in violation of those same regulations all under the guise of "Follow Orders!", and yes some of that has involved Soldiers spending their own money because it was "command directed". An IG complaint or commanders inquiry later and some of those stripes disappear and some of those brass find themselves relieved.
Soldiers, regardless of rank, asking why must I do this thing or why must I make others do this thing is nothing new to the Army. It is documented as far back as Major General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben during the Revolutionary War where he was quoted as saying, "The genius of this nation is not in the least to be compared with that of the Prussians, or Austrians, or French. You say to your Soldier, "Do this", and he does it. But here, I am obliged to say, "This is the reason why you ought to do that," and then he does it. We credit Baron von Steuben as having trained America's first Drill Sergeants.
That said, in this modern age where Soldiers have such easy access to regulations at their fingertips, it does leave credence that Junior Enlisted should know more or be able to research quickly. Though for those of us whose job it is to research regulations, it can be understandably a daunting task, especially when others throw their own interpretations into the regulation over what it actually is.
I have watched SNCO's and FG's not know the regulations they preach, abuse Soldiers in violation of those same regulations all under the guise of "Follow Orders!", and yes some of that has involved Soldiers spending their own money because it was "command directed". An IG complaint or commanders inquiry later and some of those stripes disappear and some of those brass find themselves relieved.
Soldiers, regardless of rank, asking why must I do this thing or why must I make others do this thing is nothing new to the Army. It is documented as far back as Major General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben during the Revolutionary War where he was quoted as saying, "The genius of this nation is not in the least to be compared with that of the Prussians, or Austrians, or French. You say to your Soldier, "Do this", and he does it. But here, I am obliged to say, "This is the reason why you ought to do that," and then he does it. We credit Baron von Steuben as having trained America's first Drill Sergeants.
That said, in this modern age where Soldiers have such easy access to regulations at their fingertips, it does leave credence that Junior Enlisted should know more or be able to research quickly. Though for those of us whose job it is to research regulations, it can be understandably a daunting task, especially when others throw their own interpretations into the regulation over what it actually is.
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If sewing nametapes is unit SOP, then yes. If not, them no. But, it's also good idea to to see IOT prevent theft
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Have to agree with MSG (Join to see), even if you find a verifiable answer in the reg or policy that says you don't have to, it's still smart to do it.
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SPC (Join to see) - simple answer that usually means SOP, which of course means there are other uniform and gear SOP's your unit has. This would be a good opportunity to learn them and ask why or get additional details to ensure you're doing it right and paying the least to square your gear away.
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