Posted on Dec 14, 2020
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
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CPT Military Police
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Others have nailed it but truth is in some circumstances you’re correct, and in some the CSM is right. Hard for us to choose a side in your specific case without having been there to see it. A mug and a binder? You probably could have had reasonably on your left side to keep the right hand free, and should think in such a way. BUT in cases that both hands are truly, reasonably occupied, a greeting is absolutely appropriate without a salute. Reg clearly supports such. This, btw, coming from an officer that was stopped and “corrected” by a SGM years ago at Bagram because I merely greeted the passing Colonel with my hands legitimately full. I was pretty well told I was wrong for carrying so much and being unable to salute.
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LCDR J Elsner
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I agree with the gentleman who said that one needs to keep the right hand handy to render appropriate salutes as appropriate.
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LCDR J Elsner
LCDR J Elsner
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I may add, if someone approaches me and they have a cup of coffee in their right hand which puts them in a state of not saluting me… ummm he/she is going to have a very large problem very quickly. Trust me.
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MSgt Wes Tracy
MSgt Wes Tracy
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It sounds like they may already have a big problem if they're working under such an anal cavity.
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SGT Ronald Audas
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The day I can't hold a mug and transfer a binder to my left side, is the day l will renew my membership to the base gym. I'm torn between calling the soldier ignorant or defiant.
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MSgt Wes Tracy
MSgt Wes Tracy
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Possibly defiant, but I think you've already taken ignorant.
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SGT Ronald Audas
SGT Ronald Audas
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MSgt Wes Tracy - Thanks Sarg!Sorry that my attention to tradition offends you.
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PFC Martin Potashner
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WHAT BUGGED ME WAS SALUTING A CAR WITH AN OFFICER STICKER ON THE WINDSHIELD WHILE A KID WAS DRIVING THE CAR I DONT KNOW IF THEY STILL DO THAT I WAS IN THE ARMY A LONG TIME AGO.
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PO2 Hospital Corpsman
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TECHNICALLY that's why they don't want you carrying things in your right hand if you can help it. Ive dealt with this both ways. Junior officers get pissy from time to time about the proper respect thing. Older officers understand when you're just trying to get on with life. My CO used to pre-emptively tell us not to get up or stop what we were doing just because he was walking by. He'd say "time enough to salute me later."
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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I always said I would’ve in the area all day in my company area or when Bn Xo Bn Hq. intending it to inform my soldiers that a salute was not required in that area to me.
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
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No you don't. You recognize the officer by saying, "By your leave sir." I have however seen a few butter bars, REMFOs, and the so called 3rd Lt's. go ballistic over this. Most officers are not idiots.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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The army has no third Lt's. I think you are refuring to ROTC cadets and they are not entitled to a salute only to be nice too. you can never tell when you may meet them next time
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SFC Randy Hellenbrand
SFC Randy Hellenbrand
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CPT William Jones - I think that's what I said Sir.
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CPT Carolyn Andrews
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In 1988, I had my daughter in my right hand and diaper bag in the other at 97th General hospital.. A Major was coming the other way, He saw that I was trying to juggle my load to salute him.
I recognized him and acknowledged him. He said that was OK that I could not salute.
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MAJ Public Affairs Officer
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"Do I need to render a salute to an officer when my hands are occupied?"
In a legitimate situation, no.
However, you mentioned carrying a mug … were you walking outside, in uniform, and drinking coffee? I thought that in and of itself was against regs. (Drinking, smoking, etc) Those who know better please speak up.
And to define "legitimate situation": in my mind, it's carrying items necessary to accomplish some legally-sanctioned military activity.
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SGT Rick Parent
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I passed a General, 4 star, in Vietnam and said good mornig Sir. He replied good morning soldier with a friendly smile and we both went about our business.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
SFC Greg Bruorton
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That's well and good, but in Vietnam we were instructed to hold our salutes so that the receiver might not get sniper fired. Being in a command center was a different situation.
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CPO Boyd Garrett
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I was at my first training command right out of boot camp back when dinosaurs roamed the land. The Army post had all services there for training. As a Seaman Apprentice (E-2), I was on casual duty waiting for my class to start. One day I was carrying a box of the long, fluorescent tubes from one building to another and passed an Army Captain. Since I was carrying the box with my right arm, I saluted with my left hand. The Captain returned my salute, but a nearby Army SFC saw what happened and steamed up to ream me out. Just as he got to me, he stopped himself when he remembered that Sailors can salute with their left hands. He started muttering profanities and stormed off.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
SFC Greg Bruorton
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The next time I see a sailor I will salute with my left hand.
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