Posted on Nov 17, 2013
SPC Dave St.Andrew
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It seems to me that the SMA thinks that if you have visible tattoos, that it makes you a unprofessional Solider. Soldiers have had tattoos probably since the beginning of our military. Are they really that bad?<br>
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CPT Battalion Intelligence Officer (S2)
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This is what the Vice Chief of Staff GEN Campbell said yesterday, "They need to fix the reg, and they should be doing so in the near future." From what he said, I don't believe the intent was to bar current tattoo holders that are grandfathered in, but to prevent future ones from taking those positions. Additionally he said something about Soldiers currently having a year to drop OCS/Warrant packets before they will be targeted by that reg. I understand that's not what most folks are getting out of it, so I'm wondering if there's a typo.
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SPC Brian Jones
SPC Brian Jones
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Personally I have no problems with tattoos at all. I have been inked for many years. The Reg is not saying you cant lead soldiers because you have tattoos it is simply the preconceived thoughts when most people meet someone with body art on non socially agreeable areas. It comes down to the first impression thing.

Even in law enforcement many department will not hire you if you have tattoos that are non cover-able, and if you have them on your lower arms you must wear long sleeves to hide them.

For most the service is a temporary job and with this new reg it will help young soldiers be more marketable when they do leave the service.
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16,000 signatures just prompted a look into the recently changed regulation on grooming standards. What the signatures pertained to doesn't matter, what does is the fact that people keep going on about this, but aren't doing anything about it. I'm sure there are more than 16,000 service members with tattoos... just my two cents.
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I think everyone will agree with me that perception is factor that goes a long way when first meeting new soldiers especially in this "Call of Duty" generation. Not saying all new soldiers think alike when they do but if they do see tattoos then some would be more incline to follow your direction faster than others. Tattoos today kind of act as that icebreaker buffer. To some soldiers if you have them, then I'm more incline to follow your lead. To others, if you have them, I'll follow your lead because as a soldier that is what I'm suppose to do but I'll choose not to get to know you as much personally because your tattoos either turn me off to a point where I can't really approach you or because they frighten me which makes me think you're really not that approachable. I see where the Army is trying to do but at the same time its going to be a negative effect because numbers are going to drop across the board in enlisted, Warrant & Commission causing the Army to critique the policy
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SFC Christopher Walker, MAOM, DSL
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Yes, I agree that this isn't fair for some of us. Tattoos, in no shape or fashion, affects your leadership. I think the Army is trying to prepare us for the civilian world. Most employers have strict tattoo policies that are similar to the new&nbsp;AR 670-1. Believe it or not, we get tattoos not thinking about the future. The Army is trying to be proactive and make these changes now for the new Soldiers trying to get in.
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SFC Christopher Walker, MAOM, DSL
SFC Christopher Walker, MAOM, DSL
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Really? You are comparing Disneyland to the Army. How are they even comparable?
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SPC Lindsay Siegfried
SPC Lindsay Siegfried
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"Most Employers?" Hardly. Recently seperated, I recently was on an extensive job hunt. I did not come across a single company in my search that had a hardline tattoo restriction similar to the new standards put forth. In fact, the few that did make note of tattoo policies were more in line with the previous regulations, barring hateful/gang related tattoos and those prominently featured on the hands, neck or head. I have tattoo's on my forearms myself, and only one company I interviewed with, and the police force at a job fair mentioned them at all, and that was to tell me that I would have to wear the long sleeve uniform year round to cover them. Even then it was not brought up as a negative, and only noted so that I would be aware that I would be wearing a long sleeve shirt during the summer.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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It does not affect your ability to lead. I just think as long as they are visible in any uniform then there is no problem
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PO2 Rocky Kleeger
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Ooh Rah tattoos.&nbsp; They are a staple of the military.&nbsp; Do they affect the ABILITY to lead?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Thre are certain jobs and promotions that you cannot get if you have them, but I don't think that tattoos affect leadership qualities.
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your credibility. There are some people out there (I won’t mention Rank or
Names) that feel if you don’t look a certain way you could not be taken seriously
at all. I personally don’t think this way (the proof is in the pudding) if you
uphold the Army Values and have the appropriate leadership skills lead on.</font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">

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1SG Company First Sergeant
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<p>OK so here is a question to your question...... you say "I understand the no neck, face, and hands part of the tattoo policy" and the very next sentence you say "how does the tattoos below my elbow, but above the wrist affect my ability to lead?"</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So here is my question... Purely from being able to lead, (despite the profession and appearance) why would tattoos on your hands neck or face make you any less of a leader than one with them?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I do not have tattoos that are visible while in the summer APFU or in the class B uniform. I got three of my four tattoos while in the Army and did so with looking professional in mind. I see way too many of these threads here on Rallypoint about the new tattoo policy. If it were a policy that supported ones way of life but not anothers then would you be happy about it? (clearly what is going on here with the tattoo policy)&nbsp;The change was made based solely off of visible perception of what a leader should look like. Profession of Arms!! It is one of a few true professions in the world. The leaders of such a profession are expected to look presentable and like professionals at all times. Personally I like tattoos and will likely get full sleeves after I retire. These are just my thoughts and thought I would share.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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SGT Ben Keen
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I agree with you. &nbsp;I get the whole thing about appearance and professionalism but you are right. &nbsp;Tattoos do not effect your ability to lead Soldiers. &nbsp;
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I would say it's not the first requirement that has people have questioned, all we can do is follow it and press for change until such time.
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