Posted on Nov 23, 2015
Do you agree that Blaming Islam For Paris Attacks Is Both Immoral and Bad Strategy?
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Do agree that Blaming Islam For Paris Attacks Is Both Immoral and Bad Strategy?
The outpouring of anti-Islamic and anti-refugee sentiment is a gift for Islamic extremist recruitment.
RP Members do you agree or disagree with the author on this one? I still have my reservations about the refugee situation here in the United States! Your thoughts?
http://taskandpurpose.com/blaming-islam-for-paris-attacks-is-both-immoral-and-bad-strategy/
On Nov. 13, three separate attacks in Paris shocked us. Without a doubt, the attacks in Paris were hideous. The perpetrators, planners, and supporters of these acts deserve nothing less than death. Following the attacks social media erupted with sympathy for the victims, but also vitriol and rage. Much outrage was, and continues, to be directed at the Islamic faith as a whole and specifically at the Syrian refugee population. These angry sentiments are counterproductive to an effective response. Anger is understandable, but not toward an entire religion or refugee population.
In any group there is a broad range of beliefs. Members of the Islamic faith are the same. It is a massive community with a wide spectrum of viewpoints. Some members of the Islamic faith are the enemies of the West, nothing less. Yet, others are not. Some of those could be enemies, but are not yet. Portions subscribe to versions of Islam that perpetuate and support terrorism, and other barbaric acts. There are some members of the Islamic faith who choose to be enemies of the West, while others are not; their choice of opposition is political. As politics shift, so do our future enemies and allies.
The outpouring of anti-Islamic and anti-refugee sentiment is a gift for Islamic extremist recruitment.
RP Members do you agree or disagree with the author on this one? I still have my reservations about the refugee situation here in the United States! Your thoughts?
http://taskandpurpose.com/blaming-islam-for-paris-attacks-is-both-immoral-and-bad-strategy/
On Nov. 13, three separate attacks in Paris shocked us. Without a doubt, the attacks in Paris were hideous. The perpetrators, planners, and supporters of these acts deserve nothing less than death. Following the attacks social media erupted with sympathy for the victims, but also vitriol and rage. Much outrage was, and continues, to be directed at the Islamic faith as a whole and specifically at the Syrian refugee population. These angry sentiments are counterproductive to an effective response. Anger is understandable, but not toward an entire religion or refugee population.
In any group there is a broad range of beliefs. Members of the Islamic faith are the same. It is a massive community with a wide spectrum of viewpoints. Some members of the Islamic faith are the enemies of the West, nothing less. Yet, others are not. Some of those could be enemies, but are not yet. Portions subscribe to versions of Islam that perpetuate and support terrorism, and other barbaric acts. There are some members of the Islamic faith who choose to be enemies of the West, while others are not; their choice of opposition is political. As politics shift, so do our future enemies and allies.
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Is blaming Islam for Paris attacks both immoral and bad strategy? A few questions:
- Is it true? If it is true, how can it be immoral? If it is true, basic problem solving methodology starts with defining the problem. A properly defined problem is more likely to lead to a good strategy than an improperly defined problem.
- I fail to see how labeling terrorists as "radical islamists" is an attack an all Muslims. If that is true then accurately calling someone an "illegal immigrant" is an attack on all migrants into the US. I know some people believe this but I do not. Words matter. Proper and precise words should be used to define and describe the problem we are facing.
- The fight against radical Islam is an ideological and a kinetic fight. This is not a new phenomenon. The Western Allies engaged and successfully defeated several ideological and kinetic fights in the 20th Century to include: communism (Cold War), socialism (mainly 1930s but after as well), and Nazism (WWII). Let's not reinvent the wheel here.
- Is it true? If it is true, how can it be immoral? If it is true, basic problem solving methodology starts with defining the problem. A properly defined problem is more likely to lead to a good strategy than an improperly defined problem.
- I fail to see how labeling terrorists as "radical islamists" is an attack an all Muslims. If that is true then accurately calling someone an "illegal immigrant" is an attack on all migrants into the US. I know some people believe this but I do not. Words matter. Proper and precise words should be used to define and describe the problem we are facing.
- The fight against radical Islam is an ideological and a kinetic fight. This is not a new phenomenon. The Western Allies engaged and successfully defeated several ideological and kinetic fights in the 20th Century to include: communism (Cold War), socialism (mainly 1930s but after as well), and Nazism (WWII). Let's not reinvent the wheel here.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Sir, as you said "Words matter. Proper and precise words should be used to define and describe the problem we are facing." I have said a very similar phrase in the past.
One of the problems we have faced is that people in general have not used proper nor precise verbiage. When caveats like "radicalized" are removed from "radicalized Islamists" it changes the dialog in an extreme fashion.
Although radicalized religious members are the ones perpetuating the vast majority of these events, specifically naming the religion becomes a distraction to the argument, even if it is accurate.
One of the problems we have faced is that people in general have not used proper nor precise verbiage. When caveats like "radicalized" are removed from "radicalized Islamists" it changes the dialog in an extreme fashion.
Although radicalized religious members are the ones perpetuating the vast majority of these events, specifically naming the religion becomes a distraction to the argument, even if it is accurate.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
SGT Kennedy,
- I understand what you are saying but disagree that naming the religion becomes a distraction to the argument.
- Begs the question: becomes a distraction to whom? The Allied western audience? The worldwide Muslim audience? The radicalized Muslim audience? All the above?
- People messing with Christians but not Muslims when it comes to radicalization is like PETA messing with actresses who wear fur but not bikers who wear leather. The probability of getting your ass kicked in response creates double standards.
- I understand what you are saying but disagree that naming the religion becomes a distraction to the argument.
- Begs the question: becomes a distraction to whom? The Allied western audience? The worldwide Muslim audience? The radicalized Muslim audience? All the above?
- People messing with Christians but not Muslims when it comes to radicalization is like PETA messing with actresses who wear fur but not bikers who wear leather. The probability of getting your ass kicked in response creates double standards.
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Sir,
The article does not describe the label of terrorists as radical Islamists as an attack on all Muslims. I agree words matter, but the article does not do as you state.
The article does not describe the label of terrorists as radical Islamists as an attack on all Muslims. I agree words matter, but the article does not do as you state.
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Maj Chris Clark
Truth and morality are not always the same thing. Islam is in fact the mother of radical Islam. The problem is there are maybe 200,000-300,000 true radical Islamic types. If Islam wants to counted among the civilized "tribes" of the earth, then they absolutely must stand against their children, the radicals. If not, then they are tacitly approving of them. Unfortunately, there is no in between. In this realm, they are either with the world or for radical Islam.
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I think we should always keep the distinction between Islam and radical islamic extremists. However, the success of the Paris attacks is a much greater gift for islamic extremist recruitment than any hand-wringing exercise in semantics. We must destroy the core, present a better ideal, live a better life than their alternative, and remain vigilant, in order to reduce their recruiting, success rate, and limit the damage they cause.
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Blaming a quarter of the population of the Earth (23%~ at between 1.6B-2.2B) for the actions of a handful of Radicalized Individuals, regardless of what their specific faith is, is frankly asinine.
Extremists of any Religious or Ideological Affiliation are the problem. It doesn't matter which.
Extremists of any Religious or Ideological Affiliation are the problem. It doesn't matter which.
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During WWII the average German citizen turned a blind eye to the atrocities carried out under hitler. At some point, with over a billion strong religion, you would think that the moderates (who we are told are the majority) would take a stand, wouldn't you? Their silence is deafening.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl (Join to see) - During WWII the vast majority of Americans turned a blind eye to Japanese American internment camps. It makes us just as complicit. We can drop Godwin's Law all day long, but I can point out just as many atrocities that WE committed. Maybe they weren't of the same level... maybe they were considering we're supposed to better than that.
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Sure the democrats interred the citizens of Japanese decent, but you cannot compare that the to the extermination camps in Germany. Godwin's law was created to deter the use of historical precedence. Do you see any muslim country defending Israel or the Jewish faith? I'm not referring to the one-off individuals, I'm talking about the muslim governments. Do you?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl (Join to see) - The "Democrats" didn't inter Citizens of Japanese decent. America did. Let's get that straight right now. Claiming that one subset of our society is responsible for the atrocities committed by the whole of our nation, is just "blamethrowing." We (our parents and grandparents) made mistakes. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes if we own up to them. It's when we say they weren't ours, that's when there is a problem.
Godwin's Law was created to highlight hyperbolic argumentation, not to deter the use of historical precedent. It links to half a dozen or so logical fallacies, therefore when someone invokes the comparison to Nazi's or Hitler their argument can easily be torn asunder.
As for Non-secular countries defending any faith not their own, that is counter to their purpose. We however are a secular nation, and have a vested interest in defending all faith.
Godwin's Law was created to highlight hyperbolic argumentation, not to deter the use of historical precedent. It links to half a dozen or so logical fallacies, therefore when someone invokes the comparison to Nazi's or Hitler their argument can easily be torn asunder.
As for Non-secular countries defending any faith not their own, that is counter to their purpose. We however are a secular nation, and have a vested interest in defending all faith.
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Blaming Islam as a whole entity...yes, it's bad business. Having traveled to a few continents and numerous countries, most of which were predominantly Muslim - I have met some amazing individuals.
It's funny how the leading scholars within the Muslim community have come out publicly and denounced all of the extreme and perverted ideology of their faith and the horrible actions of the groups claiming to be Muslim - yet I do not recall a MSM network talking about it.
It's funny how the leading scholars within the Muslim community have come out publicly and denounced all of the extreme and perverted ideology of their faith and the horrible actions of the groups claiming to be Muslim - yet I do not recall a MSM network talking about it.
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CPT Jack Durish
I have heard these claims before and wondered if the MSM were suppressing the news. After all silence is acquiescence, isn't it? Not trusting the MSM I have turned to other sources and found nothing there either. Usually when the MSM is suppressing something, the blogosphere lights up with it. Not so much on this issue. That being said, I too have met Muslims who are seemingly good individuals, but even they are tight lipped when it comes to commenting on terrorists attacks perpetrated by radical Islamists. Why? Well to speak out against Islamic teachings is heretical and heretics are treated pretty badly in Islam. Inasmuch as most terrorist attacks are founded in jihad, at the root of Islamic teaching, dissension easily could be construed as heresy. But, still you aver that leading scholars within the Muslim community have come out publicly and denounced all of the extreme and perverted ideology of their faith and the horrible actions of the groups claiming to be Muslim, so I'll just have to take your word for it. I hope that's enough to dissuade others from turning their anger on the Muslim community.
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Just a quick search brings up:
"Jordan's King Abdullah, meanwhile, expressed "deep regret and sadness" over the Paris attacks, also pledging solidarity with France.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi offered his condolences and "expressed his solidarity" with Paris, in a statement from the official news agency.
"Such terrorist attacks will not weaken the will of peace-loving countries," Sisi was quoted as saying by a foreign ministry source.
Kuwaiti Emir Sheikh Sabah al-Sabah, meanwhile, sent a "cable of condolence" to Hollande, condemning "these criminal acts of terrorism which run counter to all teachings of holy faith and humanitarian values."
He reaffirmed Kuwait's solidarity with the French people and government, saying Kuwait supports all measures France might take to protect its security against the terror attacks.
Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa also offered his condolences and pledged solidarity with France.
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi condemned the gun and bomb attacks, saying they showed the need for action against militants worldwide.
"We condemn and deplore the terrorist attacks in Paris, which emphasize that fighting terrorism calls for international efforts to eliminate it in all countries," Abadi said in a statement.
Morocco's King Mohammed VI also sent a message of condolence to Hollande.
The message read: "I offer my most saddened condolences to you, to the innocent victims' families and to the entire French people as well as my earnest wishes of prompt recovery to the wounded.
"I would like to condemn in the strongest terms on behalf of the Moroccan people and in my own name these vile terrorist acts and express our full solidarity and support in this ordeal."
The head of Sunni Islam's leading seat of learning, Cairo's Al-Azhar, on Saturday condemned "hateful" attacks in Paris.
"We denounce this hateful incident," Ahmed al-Tayyeb told a conference in comments broadcast by Egyptian state television. "The time has come for the world to unite to confront this monster."
Neighboring states Turkey and Iran also condemned the attack.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan offered his condolences after the attacks, calling for "a consensus of the international community against terrorism." [Al Arabiya, 11/14/15]"
The organization that most Islamaphobes despise...CAIR said this In a statement:
"These savage and despicable attacks on civilians, whether they occur in Paris, Beirut or any other city, are outrageous and without justification. We condemn these horrific crimes in the strongest terms possible. Our thoughts and prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured and with all of France. The perpetrators of these heinous attacks must be apprehended and brought to justice."
CAIR has consistently and repeatedly condemned all acts of terrorism wherever they have occurred. [CAIR, 11/13/15]
Islamic Society of North America:
"We strongly condemn the terrorist attacks in Paris. No religious tradition can ever justify nor condone such ruthless and senseless acts of violence. Our prayers and condolences go out to the family and loved ones of the victims."
The Islamic Society of North America's position on terrorism and extremism has been consistent with mainstream Islam as practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in America and around the world. [ISNA, 11/14/15]
On Saturday, a coalition of eight leading national and local American Muslim groups, held a press conference in Washington, D.C., to condemn the carnage.
The New York-based Islamic Circle of North America, a member of the coalition group, said the organization "stands united with the people of France" and urged the French authorities to take "swift action in apprehending the perpetrators of this attack and bring them to justice."
The group's president, Naeem Baid, added: "This kind of violence is inhuman and barbaric and is not justifiable by any religion."
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"Terrorists are not a representative of Islam in any way whatsoever," Saba Ahmed, president and founder of the Republican Muslim Coalition, told MSNBC. "ISIS should go back to the basic teachings of Islam. They are misusing the teachings of Islam to carry out horrifying atrocities. That's completely un-Islamic, and they have hijacked our religion. The Muslim community strongly condemns [the attacks]." [MSNBC.com, 11/14/15]
The attacks in Paris were horrific and despicable, and taking innocent life violates the principles of every faith. The orchestration of multiple locations and maximization of casualties shows a sinister disregard for life that is grossly at odds with any and all of us as human beings and as American citizens.
We must redouble our efforts for partnership and cooperation with law enforcement, as they have the challenging dual responsibility to neutralize any terrorist threat and also to protect communities from any backlash.
Our country must be united in this time of crisis; unity will enhance our efforts to fend off any violent extremism and preserve the values of our society.
To mitigate any attempt by ISIS in their recruiting efforts in the U.S., we are promoting programs to build resilience against its terrorist ideology.
Our prayers and condolences go out to the families and loved ones of the victims. [MPAC, 11/14/15]
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That's a few from a quick search. MSM suppresses whatever doesn't fit their agenda - and I would venture to say, giving a voice to the leaders and scholars of the Muslim world condemning the actions of violent extremist organizations, claiming they do what they do in the name of Islam.
"Jordan's King Abdullah, meanwhile, expressed "deep regret and sadness" over the Paris attacks, also pledging solidarity with France.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi offered his condolences and "expressed his solidarity" with Paris, in a statement from the official news agency.
"Such terrorist attacks will not weaken the will of peace-loving countries," Sisi was quoted as saying by a foreign ministry source.
Kuwaiti Emir Sheikh Sabah al-Sabah, meanwhile, sent a "cable of condolence" to Hollande, condemning "these criminal acts of terrorism which run counter to all teachings of holy faith and humanitarian values."
He reaffirmed Kuwait's solidarity with the French people and government, saying Kuwait supports all measures France might take to protect its security against the terror attacks.
Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa also offered his condolences and pledged solidarity with France.
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi condemned the gun and bomb attacks, saying they showed the need for action against militants worldwide.
"We condemn and deplore the terrorist attacks in Paris, which emphasize that fighting terrorism calls for international efforts to eliminate it in all countries," Abadi said in a statement.
Morocco's King Mohammed VI also sent a message of condolence to Hollande.
The message read: "I offer my most saddened condolences to you, to the innocent victims' families and to the entire French people as well as my earnest wishes of prompt recovery to the wounded.
"I would like to condemn in the strongest terms on behalf of the Moroccan people and in my own name these vile terrorist acts and express our full solidarity and support in this ordeal."
The head of Sunni Islam's leading seat of learning, Cairo's Al-Azhar, on Saturday condemned "hateful" attacks in Paris.
"We denounce this hateful incident," Ahmed al-Tayyeb told a conference in comments broadcast by Egyptian state television. "The time has come for the world to unite to confront this monster."
Neighboring states Turkey and Iran also condemned the attack.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan offered his condolences after the attacks, calling for "a consensus of the international community against terrorism." [Al Arabiya, 11/14/15]"
The organization that most Islamaphobes despise...CAIR said this In a statement:
"These savage and despicable attacks on civilians, whether they occur in Paris, Beirut or any other city, are outrageous and without justification. We condemn these horrific crimes in the strongest terms possible. Our thoughts and prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured and with all of France. The perpetrators of these heinous attacks must be apprehended and brought to justice."
CAIR has consistently and repeatedly condemned all acts of terrorism wherever they have occurred. [CAIR, 11/13/15]
Islamic Society of North America:
"We strongly condemn the terrorist attacks in Paris. No religious tradition can ever justify nor condone such ruthless and senseless acts of violence. Our prayers and condolences go out to the family and loved ones of the victims."
The Islamic Society of North America's position on terrorism and extremism has been consistent with mainstream Islam as practiced by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in America and around the world. [ISNA, 11/14/15]
On Saturday, a coalition of eight leading national and local American Muslim groups, held a press conference in Washington, D.C., to condemn the carnage.
The New York-based Islamic Circle of North America, a member of the coalition group, said the organization "stands united with the people of France" and urged the French authorities to take "swift action in apprehending the perpetrators of this attack and bring them to justice."
The group's president, Naeem Baid, added: "This kind of violence is inhuman and barbaric and is not justifiable by any religion."
[...]
"Terrorists are not a representative of Islam in any way whatsoever," Saba Ahmed, president and founder of the Republican Muslim Coalition, told MSNBC. "ISIS should go back to the basic teachings of Islam. They are misusing the teachings of Islam to carry out horrifying atrocities. That's completely un-Islamic, and they have hijacked our religion. The Muslim community strongly condemns [the attacks]." [MSNBC.com, 11/14/15]
The attacks in Paris were horrific and despicable, and taking innocent life violates the principles of every faith. The orchestration of multiple locations and maximization of casualties shows a sinister disregard for life that is grossly at odds with any and all of us as human beings and as American citizens.
We must redouble our efforts for partnership and cooperation with law enforcement, as they have the challenging dual responsibility to neutralize any terrorist threat and also to protect communities from any backlash.
Our country must be united in this time of crisis; unity will enhance our efforts to fend off any violent extremism and preserve the values of our society.
To mitigate any attempt by ISIS in their recruiting efforts in the U.S., we are promoting programs to build resilience against its terrorist ideology.
Our prayers and condolences go out to the families and loved ones of the victims. [MPAC, 11/14/15]
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That's a few from a quick search. MSM suppresses whatever doesn't fit their agenda - and I would venture to say, giving a voice to the leaders and scholars of the Muslim world condemning the actions of violent extremist organizations, claiming they do what they do in the name of Islam.
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Maj Chris Clark
The question you have to ask is when New York or Paris was burning, were they cheering or crying? That will tell you if they need to be saved or shot.
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Depends how you frame it. If its framed as Radical Islam I believe thats the truth and should be called what it is
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Without getting too far in the weeds, this is about motives.
The motive of Islamic terrorists is prestige. By executing successful attacks, they garner jihadi "cool-guy points" that translate into influence in the overall movement and in the Muslim world. They don't have to make everyone happy, they just show how tough they are and like moths, disenfranchised youths flock to the cause to sacrifice their lives for this madness. You'll never see a leader of these movements anywhere near one of these attacks, because pawns are fine to sacrifice, but rooks... oh no. The point of their operations is to get more pawns. No more, no less.
I'll take it a step further, and let you decide.
There are approximately 5 million Syrian refugees, and the President wants to take in 40k. This represents under 1% of the total, a completely inconsequential number in terms of solving the problem. Yet he is adamant about it, and demonizes those who think it is not a good idea as bigoted. Much like most things we have done in regards to Syria, the administration appears to be doing just enough to be perceived as "doing something" but not enough to actually affect any result. In my view, this is by design. By not causing any consequences that can be directly attributed to your actions and simultaneously deriding any other course of action, you get it both ways. So what is the desired result?
Republicans, not the Islamic State, are the problem.
Global Warming, not geo-politics and American retrenchment, is the cause of instability.
George W Bush, not seven years of current policy, is to blame for problems that have arisen lately.
It is always somebody else's fault.
The motive of Islamic terrorists is prestige. By executing successful attacks, they garner jihadi "cool-guy points" that translate into influence in the overall movement and in the Muslim world. They don't have to make everyone happy, they just show how tough they are and like moths, disenfranchised youths flock to the cause to sacrifice their lives for this madness. You'll never see a leader of these movements anywhere near one of these attacks, because pawns are fine to sacrifice, but rooks... oh no. The point of their operations is to get more pawns. No more, no less.
I'll take it a step further, and let you decide.
There are approximately 5 million Syrian refugees, and the President wants to take in 40k. This represents under 1% of the total, a completely inconsequential number in terms of solving the problem. Yet he is adamant about it, and demonizes those who think it is not a good idea as bigoted. Much like most things we have done in regards to Syria, the administration appears to be doing just enough to be perceived as "doing something" but not enough to actually affect any result. In my view, this is by design. By not causing any consequences that can be directly attributed to your actions and simultaneously deriding any other course of action, you get it both ways. So what is the desired result?
Republicans, not the Islamic State, are the problem.
Global Warming, not geo-politics and American retrenchment, is the cause of instability.
George W Bush, not seven years of current policy, is to blame for problems that have arisen lately.
It is always somebody else's fault.
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It does not serve one well to operate under a policy of acting on generalizations, stereotypes, etc. Not all priests are pedophiles, not all police officers are corrupt, not all low-income people are lazy or criminals, and a bad apple does not define an entire race. We see how this policy does not serve us well in the United States in regards to race or socioeconomic statuses.
Westerners are used to large Christian denominations that have, more or less, a type of hierarchy or legislative conference. Even then, administrative power is not completely centralized. For example, the Pope does not speak for all Christians and he still has to confer with the other bishops and holds even less influence over non-Latin rite Catholic churches.
Islam has no central moral/administrative/ruling power or spokesman. It spans many regions, cultures, races, and languages. We are not going to find a legitimate leader or spokesman to speak on behalf of all Muslims or to condemn the radicals. Also, not all Muslims are Arab. Not all Arabs are Muslim. Only about 20% of Muslims are Arab. Most are Asian.
To view all Muslims the same as the radical terrorist Muslims will not serve any state or person well. Does the IRA represent the Catholic Church? Do we blame Greek Orthodox for the imperialistic actions of Russian Orthodox? Does the Lord's Resistance Army in east Africa represent Christians worldwide? NO, no and no.
All generalization will do is serve the purpose of the radical Islamists. Muslims who have a favorable view or no opinion at all of the "Western" world may be swayed to have a negative opinion of us due to being treated or viewed as if every Muslim is a radical terrorist.
Westerners are used to large Christian denominations that have, more or less, a type of hierarchy or legislative conference. Even then, administrative power is not completely centralized. For example, the Pope does not speak for all Christians and he still has to confer with the other bishops and holds even less influence over non-Latin rite Catholic churches.
Islam has no central moral/administrative/ruling power or spokesman. It spans many regions, cultures, races, and languages. We are not going to find a legitimate leader or spokesman to speak on behalf of all Muslims or to condemn the radicals. Also, not all Muslims are Arab. Not all Arabs are Muslim. Only about 20% of Muslims are Arab. Most are Asian.
To view all Muslims the same as the radical terrorist Muslims will not serve any state or person well. Does the IRA represent the Catholic Church? Do we blame Greek Orthodox for the imperialistic actions of Russian Orthodox? Does the Lord's Resistance Army in east Africa represent Christians worldwide? NO, no and no.
All generalization will do is serve the purpose of the radical Islamists. Muslims who have a favorable view or no opinion at all of the "Western" world may be swayed to have a negative opinion of us due to being treated or viewed as if every Muslim is a radical terrorist.
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All Muslims are not terrorist. But all terrorist are muslim. I'they last heard there are 1.2 million Muslims and 15 to 20 percent are radicalized. They are middle class, university educated and well fed.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
CW3 (Join to see) - I hate it when some lib calls him a Christain. His parents were but he did not believe in God and was an atheist. And he read an atheist manifesto at his trail. But the liberal media and these it here loons on the view do it. And then they call Hitler a Christain. Give me a break. Gee Obama had to go back 900 years. The crusades were all about Conquering the Muslim invaders.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis - Never really paid attention to either's religious beliefs. Thanks for the heads up, I see the controversy.
Still, the claim was that all terrorists are Muslim. Given these two egregious examples (among hundreds, just imagine the massive animal liberation and eco-terrorism movements that plague humankind), I think we can squash this idea that only Muslims are capable of terrorism.
Still, the claim was that all terrorists are Muslim. Given these two egregious examples (among hundreds, just imagine the massive animal liberation and eco-terrorism movements that plague humankind), I think we can squash this idea that only Muslims are capable of terrorism.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
Because they don't do it for me. And if they don't like my comments fine. I still don't understand this point system. If you do not like what I say make a comment. this is my first and will be my last. I think the whole thing is vindictive. No that is to strong a word. And someone explained it once. But I stand by what I said in my comment. And will leave it at that.
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Who is blaming Islam? I think people are pointing fingers at the ISIS/ISIL/ad-Dawlah/Daesh but when you put 'Islamic' (al-Islāmiyah) it is hard for there not to be a little spill over but have not heard any call for strikes on Jordanians, Kurds or Iraqis.
The anti-refugee calls are not Islamic or really even Syrian based but common sense stance considering the inability to identify who is or is not ISIS/ISIL/ad-Dawlah/Daesh? I think some people want to try to make this an anti-Islam or anti-refugee discussion to muddy the water to advance their agenda...my problem is what actually is that agenda? Their are actually millions of refugees across the globe, but seem to only be interested in Syrians?
The anti-refugee calls are not Islamic or really even Syrian based but common sense stance considering the inability to identify who is or is not ISIS/ISIL/ad-Dawlah/Daesh? I think some people want to try to make this an anti-Islam or anti-refugee discussion to muddy the water to advance their agenda...my problem is what actually is that agenda? Their are actually millions of refugees across the globe, but seem to only be interested in Syrians?
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MAJ (Join to see)
No agenda here. If you're questioning the veracity of people blaming Islam I encourage you to refers to the comments section of the article or Facebook page. There are many examples there.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Sir, I think if anyone was using RP or Facebook as a valid source we would all be in a LOT of trouble. I have seen more and worse attacks on Christians and Christianity and I give those comments as much validity...which in none.
Sir, I think if anyone was using RP or Facebook as a valid source we would all be in a LOT of trouble. I have seen more and worse attacks on Christians and Christianity and I give those comments as much validity...which in none.
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I'm glad you're discerning, but that is not universally the case.
http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/group-that-brought-guns-to-irving-mosque-publishes-muslims-home-addresses.html/
http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/group-that-brought-guns-to-irving-mosque-publishes-muslims-home-addresses.html/
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MSG Brad Sand
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To date, I am not aware of anyone killing anyone for drawing a cartoon of Jesus, Buddha, Moses or Odin? IF you are part of a faith that attacks others, you might want to expect people to be on their guard around you?
Until the majority of Muslims take the lead in opposing the radical elements of their religion, I think there is plenty for people to attack Muslims. I have not seen or heard of Christian and Jewish...or any religion...attacking Muslims here, or abroad? We keep hearing "Don't attack all Muslims..." but who is attacking them?
Muslims fire rockets in to Israel, and the Israelis strike back, and we hear about how they attacked Muslims? The Iranian chant 'Death to Israel!", "Death to the United States!" but this just rhetoric...okay fine but their actions support their words.
To date, I am not aware of anyone killing anyone for drawing a cartoon of Jesus, Buddha, Moses or Odin? IF you are part of a faith that attacks others, you might want to expect people to be on their guard around you?
Until the majority of Muslims take the lead in opposing the radical elements of their religion, I think there is plenty for people to attack Muslims. I have not seen or heard of Christian and Jewish...or any religion...attacking Muslims here, or abroad? We keep hearing "Don't attack all Muslims..." but who is attacking them?
Muslims fire rockets in to Israel, and the Israelis strike back, and we hear about how they attacked Muslims? The Iranian chant 'Death to Israel!", "Death to the United States!" but this just rhetoric...okay fine but their actions support their words.
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All generalizations are false. Yes, I know that statement is a generalization. Thus we find ourselves awash in a sea of propaganda and this article is just the tip of an iceberg. It cripples our understanding before we reach the first paragraph with the assertion that "The outpouring of anti-Islamic and anti-refugee sentiment..." What outpouring? I have neither seen nor heard any. Interpreting reasonable caution in admitting Syrian refugees does not connote anti-Islamic sentiment. It is a reasonable precaution in response to acts of terror committed by Syrian refugees. Not all. Just a few. Remember the Boston Bombers? Thus, the terrorists are not only harming their "enemies" but also "their own people". But then, when have terrorists every shown concern for their own. We seen them frequently use them as shields as in placing rocket launchers in their own communities, frequently using schools and hospitals in hopes of dissuading counter attacks. Is it any stretch of the imagination to suppose they would hide among legitimate refugees to infiltrate the homes of their enemies?
I could have started with the title of this article rather than the lead-line. However, the propaganda value of that is slightly more obscure and would have required even more explanation but trust me, it too is a prime piece of propaganda.
I could have started with the title of this article rather than the lead-line. However, the propaganda value of that is slightly more obscure and would have required even more explanation but trust me, it too is a prime piece of propaganda.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPT Jack Durish Great points and I think the media is feeding the frenzy as well, but I really like the discussion I posted about "Anonymous" - a hacker organization that has declared Cyber War on ISIS!
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