Posted on Jun 30, 2014
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The Supreme Court backed Hobby Lobby in their challenge against the mandate to provide contraceptive care. What do you think.
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Definitely agree. Spiritual beliefs notwithstanding, it is NOT proper to force others to to do things against their will or beliefs. It is not right for government to intrude on a person's spiritual beliefs. Just as I disagree with discriminating against ANY religious background, be it Muslim/Jewish/Buddhist/Atheist/Pagan/Wiccan/etc, I equally expect the same respect from others for my Christian faith. Discrimination is discrimination REGARDLESS of WHO does it.

To be clear, I will not tolerate idiotic statements by fellow Christians. And I WILL call them out on it too. Ridiculous verbage comes from ALL sides, aspects, ethnic backgrounds and gender. This is NOT to excuse ANY of it but to posit and encourage more rational objectivity instead of emotional subjectivity.
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If you wanna have an abortion, go ahead. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Besides if people was to learn about the origins of abortion, they would think twice about them
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SSG (Join to see) , no doubt. The sad truth though is you can show people facts but you can't make them accept it or think rationally.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Yes I do agree with the decision the supreme court made on the Hobby Lobby case.
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I agree 100% SSG Andres Redondo.
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My personal belief is this: The government is reaching WAY to far beyond what it should be to control private enterprise in this country. Part of looking for a job is to look at pay and benefits. If you do not like the benefit package (of which insurance is part of it), you can either negotiate for something else OR look at a different company. The Contraceptive care that is most under fire is "morning after pills" and not as much the daily birth control pills that everyone is familiar with (as far as I can tell anyway).
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@MAJ Lupold, major uber thumbs up for that comment. Very well stated using scientific facts. Sadly, many will still dispute science even when it disproves their own methods.
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I am not misusing, or disputing the science. Major Lupold, unlike you, I will not rush to judgement and make a rash and unprofessional statement regarding my discussion. Frankly as a PA I am surprised that you were not able to extrapulate my intention for using the articles to sustantiate my argument that people need to get the facts before rushing to judgement in assuming that the morning after pills are 1) abortive in nature 2) Prescribed for abortive effects 3) assume the mechanism of action is abortive in nature. None of the 3 points could be farther from the truth. I have attached link to a document that includes the RP thread between myself and Maj Ballinger to include inserted facts disputing his assumptions. My professional belief is that all patients, male and female need to be fully informed and educated prior to taking prescribed medications. It is not my position to debate prolife vs abortion, but to ensure that my patients make educated decisions. I will make a correction and Give Major Lupold his props. Yes I was incorrect in stating that ECPs do not affect a fertilized egg. However can ECPs cause the death of a fertilized egg? The mechanism of action article states : "Based on their studies on human and animals, some are tempted to conclude that there is no postfertilization effect [25]. It is unlikely that this question can ever be unequivocally answered, and we therefore cannot conclude that ECPs never prevent pregnancy after fertilization. Even if there were an accurate test for fertilization, a finding that some fertilized eggs do not implant after ECPs are taken would not mean that ECPs can work after fertilization, since many if not most fertilized eggs naturally do not implant. Nevertheless, even if in some cases ECPs work by inhibiting implantation of a fertilized egg, these probably would be outnumbered by other cases where fertilization of an egg that would not have implanted naturally is prevented because ECPs inhibited ovulation. Therefore, on balance, ECPs probably reduce the incidence of fertilized eggs that do not implant. ECPs do not interrupt an established pregnancy, defined by medical authorities such as the United States Food and Drug Administration/National Institutes of Health [26] and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists [27] as beginning with implantation. Therefore, ECPs are not abortifacient." Major Lupold, read the whole passage and the whole article in its entirety. Lastly, I have attached a link to the detailed word document including Major B's and my discussion with the included facts for my statements.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/szu3qmat100kejm/Facts%20behind%20the%20post.docx
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MAJ Carl Ballinger as I indicated previously, I made an incorrect statement. But thanks again for reminding me in your response. I was not condescending, nor am I seeking methodical credit, nor do I care about getting credit. In fact you also made incorrect statements such as "It is impossible to take a pill AFTER sex and the mechanism being to prevent ovulation." Not sure if you read document associated with our debate, but I did include the facts for my statements. Neither of us work for Hobby Lobby and thus should not attempt to justify an assumption behind their actions. The bottom line is not religion, insurance, or company decisions. The primary concern for me as the provider is the patient's ability to make an educated decision about their choices, and available treatments; then allow them to make their own decisions. Lastly, this is a great debate that demonstrates we all have our own opinions on controversial topics, and I respect that.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Yes I do agree with the decision !
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SFC Jerry Humphries
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Yes because the government was deffently violating the 1st amendment. I am concerned about the 5-4 split in SCOTUS do to activist Justices who think our Constitutuon is a living document. As I read the responses here I understand why the current administration chooses to defund the Military and Veterains . The Vast Majority of us believe in the oaths we swore unlike our politicians.
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I has been supposed herein that not paying for a birth control option is tantamount to denying a right.

So if I do not pay for an employee's lunch, would anyone suppose that I was somehow preventing that employee from eating?
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Does the government owe you a computer so you can exercise your right to free speech?
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MAJ (Join to see) , yes, they do. And they need to provide internet access, and Direct TV, and cell phone usage.

Disclaimer: Sarcasm above. :D
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Not bosses business
I agree. It's not anyone's bosses' business regarding their birth control means.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Agree with the cartoon illustration !
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SFC Thomas Skinner
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In my opinion an employer is in no way responsible for providing any health insurance to its employees, much less recreational medication like birth control. You are not entitled to employer provided health insurance, it is a benefit, an incentive to draw quality employees. If you don't like the coverage your employer is providing find a different job.

This entitlement attitude in our society is disgusting, no one owes you $hit! Work for what you want, take responsibility for your own life and your own actions!
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I would back it if they were a Church, but they aren't. It pisses me off that in 2014, the things women have already fought for and won, we still have to go back and fight for. It makes me sick. I will never shop there.
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PO1 (Join to see) , your last sentence sums up my thoughts, as well as many others, perfectly.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger , an excellent question that I wish everyone could be honest about and answer.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Yes I do agree with the decision.
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I agree with the decision.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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i have to say i agree.
the one thing i keep seeing ommitted is that Hobby Lobby was not against all contraceptives.
They held in on objection the contraceptives that would have caused the women to loose the baby( plan b and etc.), and also they are a privately owned company, which i believe was also part of the decision made by SCOTUS.
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It's left out because the "other side" desires to deceive without putting out all the facts. It defeats their argument.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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An all too common tactic enabled by a slanted and willing media.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
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I do agree. Hobby Lobby itself is known for paying more than minimum wage to its workers, and they have no problem paying for birth control, they simply don't want to pay for those drugs that cause abortions, such as the "Morning After" pill, and three other types of pills.
This, in effect is not as Clinton claims "A war on women's health" it is a family owned company that does not wish to be responsible for abortions. Just saying....
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MAJ Jim Woods
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I 100% agree.

The US Govt. has no common sense and has no business telling a business owner or corporation (unions included) they have to do something that runs counter to their personal beliefs. "of the people, by the people" seems to have been forgotten by our Legislatures. And don't get me started on ANY of the Constitutional issues that we have been told are not really good for us.

OK Take a Deep Breath like the nice Dr. told you to. Ahhhhh, thats better.
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