Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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Every citizen and service member should have right to voice an opinion. However how it is done can have a negative effect on not only active duty personal but civilians alike. We are prohibited for making statement that are deemed derogatory or bring discredit to our police department and city officials. No where does it address weather the statement is factually correct or simply opinion. The POTUS is our commander and chief and as such deserves a measure of respect irrespective of your political views. Weather you respect the man or not, the office deserves our respect. We can disagree and still be civil mature adults. Is that not what we teach our children?
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I haven't seen too many SMs make open contemptuous remarks about the President. There may be a few, but I don't believe RP is considered a safe space for such activity. RP is barely considered a safe place for SMs to ask legitimate military questions without being made to feel unwelcome by some. It sometimes reminds me of the many forums I have been a member of over the years; some regulars treat the newbies poorly, which drives new and continued membership away. I try to get more SMs to join RP, but many have already seen the craziness in Google searches and just stay away. I jokingly refer to RP as "Military Facebook," at least when it comes to politics, but I digress. From what I can tell, if someone plans to say something controversial, they switch to an alternate-unverified account.
In my opinion, SMs should not be allowed to publicly say anything positive or negative about the President(s). Those opinions should be kept behind closed doors in Command Climate Surveys only.
The public doesn't need to know our opinions, just that we are doing our jobs. Since the President position is a political office, military should not be able to sway public opinion in either way.
Just my opinion, though.
In my opinion, SMs should not be allowed to publicly say anything positive or negative about the President(s). Those opinions should be kept behind closed doors in Command Climate Surveys only.
The public doesn't need to know our opinions, just that we are doing our jobs. Since the President position is a political office, military should not be able to sway public opinion in either way.
Just my opinion, though.
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A veteran criticizing the President is a veteran's right, active duty the President is your Commander in Chief therefore is not ok, do you disparage your Co? I think not.
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You should never say anything to make the government or military look bad while you are actively serving. Or anytime for that matter
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It is perfectly lawful tonsay, for example: “I disagree with the President’s policy on....”
Not on duty, not in uniform, but the statement is legal under the UCMJ.
Now it’s another thing entirely to insult the President or the Office while on Active Duty.
Veterans and civilians: do what you like, but just because it’s protected by the 1st Amendment doesn’t mean your boss can’t tell you to pound sand.
Not on duty, not in uniform, but the statement is legal under the UCMJ.
Now it’s another thing entirely to insult the President or the Office while on Active Duty.
Veterans and civilians: do what you like, but just because it’s protected by the 1st Amendment doesn’t mean your boss can’t tell you to pound sand.
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Ours is not to wonder why, only to do or die... To serve God and country...The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and the Rank must be respected.
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Part of being an active duty military member is the oath you take. There is no 'safe space' free from your own personal integrity. You swear an oath obey orders and the UCMJ. Part of that is NOT disparaging the POTUS or their policies. Criticism is one thing, as long as it stays at the discussion level and does not become disparaging. Vets, on the other hand, can and should say anything and everything they want to say.
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It must be difficult to keep politics out of service when the political "leadership" is failing. Few of us truly understand the cost of rules of engagement or the real cost of fighting on a shoe string. Real leaders of all ranks read to understand all facets of our profession. It has become evident in my lifetime that we have disparate standards for instance an Officer that lies doesn't have a place in our Corps. So when the POTUS lies regularly we have to trust our leadership to limit the damage and retire in protest if necessary. We have soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors winning medals as a result of having given up our advantages on the battle field, we have sustained casualties as a result of politics, How many didn't come home as a result? My position on rally Point is to give for consideration any insight that I gained over my years of service. As far as my political views don't ask if you don't want to hear what I think. As far as the POTUS goes I would place him under the UCMJ and that would create a real constitutional crisis especially with conduct unbecoming a legitimate charge.
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As an American citizen you have the right to disagree with elected officials up to and including POTUS. You even have the right to call names but just cuz you can doesn't mean you should. This includes civilians, too. I understand a lot of folks don't like the current POTUS but damn it is ugly out there. Same with previous gentleman. When I was in it was 'You don't have to respect the person but you WILL respect the uniform.' Long past time for civil discourse on the problems facing this country. That includes ALL of our elected officials.
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