Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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General George Marshal not only did not vote he kept his political opinions to himself.
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General George Marshal not only did not vote but chose to keep his political thoughts to himself.
A good example for active duty members to follow.
A good example for active duty members to follow.
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No matter what the opinion of any active service member is the UCMJ is very clear. Obey all lawful orders given by the chain of command. POTUS is in that chain of command.
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"I solemnly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign AND domestic...."
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There is no "safe space" where proper bearing and protocol don't matter regarding active duty troops, so clearly they are in violation. More importantly perhaps, anyone who disparages the current president clearly lacks sufficient intellect and clarity to perform as a member of the US military. For the veterans who do, I'm just thankful that they're out, because they were never qualified to serve.
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SGT Mary Martel
Maj Rob Drury - Yes, I'm quite sure you believe that. How do you assess his remarks regarding women; when he mocks others, whether they disagree with him or not; remarks he made about Senator McCain being a POW; getting 5 deferments from the draft; the fact that he hasn't actually accomplished anything since being elected except that tax plan which is not to the benefit of most citizens? Or are you like most other Trump supporters I've spoken with who just overlook all that "because he's going to make America great again?"
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Maj Rob Drury
SGT Mary Martel - I won't even get into 45's accomplishments. 30 seconds on Google will provide far more than enough information to completely annihilate your statements.
The qualifications for military service spelled out in the regs are by far the least relevant. First, anyone who equates military service with a mere job has completely missed the boat and has no business in uniform. The US military is the highest order of mankind; membership is an honor beyond that which any of us deserves. If you disagree, you fail to recognize the significance of what we do, and you are unqualified to serve. Liberal thought, for the most part, is inconsistent with military service. Ignorance of, and lack of objectivity about, what's really going on on the world stage (as opposed to what's written by an obviously conspiring anti-Trump press) is inconsistent with military service. When one's opinions and statements parrot such an inept and biased press, it indicates an inability to reason independently; totally inconsistent with military service.
The lack of critical thinking skills I've described is the very thing upon which the current mainstream press depends to push their anti-Trump agenda. Anyone who is falling for it is blatantly displaying traits that are not consistent with military service.
The qualifications for military service spelled out in the regs are by far the least relevant. First, anyone who equates military service with a mere job has completely missed the boat and has no business in uniform. The US military is the highest order of mankind; membership is an honor beyond that which any of us deserves. If you disagree, you fail to recognize the significance of what we do, and you are unqualified to serve. Liberal thought, for the most part, is inconsistent with military service. Ignorance of, and lack of objectivity about, what's really going on on the world stage (as opposed to what's written by an obviously conspiring anti-Trump press) is inconsistent with military service. When one's opinions and statements parrot such an inept and biased press, it indicates an inability to reason independently; totally inconsistent with military service.
The lack of critical thinking skills I've described is the very thing upon which the current mainstream press depends to push their anti-Trump agenda. Anyone who is falling for it is blatantly displaying traits that are not consistent with military service.
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SGT Mary Martel
LMAO...typical Trumpster nonanswer. You won't even get into them, because there really aren't any. Also, your blatant disregard of of his bad behaviors is in direct conflict with military service. Would it be acceptable for one of your Soldiers to "grab women by the p*ssy"? Are extramarital affairs acceptable? Are any of the behaviors he displays on a regular basis acceptable in the military? Like his cutting people off, rolling his eyes, that inane, pursed-lip look he makes? No, they are not. Why would those be acceptable for the CIC? BTW, please tell me where I equated serving in the military as being a regular job? You can't, because I didn't. You've got that selective reading/seeing/comprehending thing going on. I could say the same about you falling for a conman's empty promises is not consistent with military service. Also, if that Google search really provided enough information to "completely annihilate my statements" you would have done one and either linked your response to what came up or copy and pasted. Most of the things that come out of his mouth sound really good, but they are vague statements that are devoid of actual substance. Yeah, Mexico is going to build a wall and pay for it.....heard from Mexico? They are definitely not building a wall nor are they paying for it. That BS with Kim Jon Ung. So far, not one SM has been returned and that nuclear plant they decommissioned was already scheduled to be shut down, he didn't concede anything to the US.
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Maj Rob Drury
Haha Mary, you were doing so well keeping up your professional front, but you dropped your guard and exposed your dialogue as just another pathetic Trump-bashing rant. (Hint: Everyone was already on to you.)
Get over it! Trump is president, and history will probably prove him the best one of our lifetimes. Get on board, or be a loser; your choice.
Get over it! Trump is president, and history will probably prove him the best one of our lifetimes. Get on board, or be a loser; your choice.
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As to the question asked. No, active duty and/or active reservist should not be allowed to comment with disrespect to their Commander in Chief. Now discussing political things, as long as no disrespect is shown towards their Commander in Chief or any other superiors.
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I'm happy I no longer serve,because i know I could not be a part of this lying nut case military.He is a complete whakko!!!
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SSgt Patrick Duncan
Thanks Sergeant Gray, I am almost 73 years old and I served for 12 years and did go to Vietnam a couple of times so if they got anything to say to me I don't bring it on.
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SGT Mary Martel
SGT Dan Gray - Once again, SGT, you are wrong. This is per the information you posted on my comment. You are only subject to recall when you are retired and only for investigation into offenses that allegedly occurred while you were in an active status. That's it. Veterans and retirees are civilians, period.
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SGT Mary Martel
SGT Dan Gray - Since I'm no longer in the military, yes, SGT is the highest rank I will ever make. You're f-ing with me aren't you? There's no way you can blatantly read what is read and which I dumbed down for you even further and sit there telling me I am not accepting reality. I am positive I just lost a bunch of brain cells interacting with you...holy fucking shit
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RP, while smaller than other platforms, is still a social media platform. If necessary, these posts and threads can be pulled.
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Sir,
In the UCMJ, Article 88 is Contempt towards Officials which only applies to Officers in the military (since the President is who "appoints" them). If said individual is enlisted, then it might fall under Article 134. I do not know the legalities of posting in/on RP, however, the best advice always is to talk to your JAG.
In the UCMJ, Article 88 is Contempt towards Officials which only applies to Officers in the military (since the President is who "appoints" them). If said individual is enlisted, then it might fall under Article 134. I do not know the legalities of posting in/on RP, however, the best advice always is to talk to your JAG.
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SGT Mary Martel
SGT Dan Gray - First of all, I asked if you were a military attorney and I said with enlisted rank you are not. Obviously I know they have enlisted personnel, I was a paralegal. They have civilians in the OSJA, too. All those things you listed like clerks, typists, record keepers, etc are what paralegals do. As far as you being completely correct based on your 3 months TDY in a JAG office, I have to disagree. How do you think things get charged under the UCMJ? There are elements for every punishable offense and they all have to be met in order to charge someone. And I understand that the President would be the top military officer in charge, I will definitely be pulling out my contracts and reading the fine print. However, just because something CAN happen doesn't mean IT WILL happen. As I stated previously, pulling someone back on AD to CM them for saying something derogatory about the President is unlikely and a waste of resources.
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SGT Mary Martel
SGT Dan Gray - OMFG......are you seriously comparing a RETIRED SM coming out of retirement to help the Service with pulling someone onto AD to be prosecuted? Obviously you can't read because it says right there in that little blurb from the UCMJ you posted, “Retired Military members are subject to recall to active duty for the investigation of UCMJ offenses they are alleged to have committed while in a Title 10 duty status, for trial by court-martial, or for proceedings under UCMJ, Article 15.” Only applies to retired personnel and only for UCMJ offense they are alleged to have committed while on AD/Title 10 status. So no, someone talking shit about the President cannot be recalled to AD, whether retired or not. In the future, SGT, I suggest you know wtf you are talking about before #1., you attempt to disparage me IN ANY WAY and #2., open your mouth generally.
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SGT Mary Martel
BTW, looks like I am exactly as good of a paralegal as I make myself out to be. <<<drops mic>>>
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SGT Mary Martel
And you still can't read...those V's by our names mean we are veterans, as in, no longer subject to the UCMJ. You haven't stated ANY fact; you are what people refer to as a barracks lawyer, jailhouse lawyer on the civilian side. Don't worry about any of my employers, future or otherwise. I don't act like something I'm not and I don't beat around the bush about things either. I wondered what was taking so long for you to respond. When you were telling me that I was wrong you were replying within seconds, when I pointed out you were it took you much longer to reply...
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As a retired service member of the USAF for 23 years, I've felt my duty was to serve and protect the Constitution of the United States and my country. I have served under a number of POTUS' and continued my service in my original loyalty. The POTUS IS my Commander in Chief and I completed my duty as he ordered. When it came for my own retirement I was shocked and a bit discerned that some of my fellow retiring constituents would NOT retire because of the serving POTUS signature on their retirement certificate. Bottom line is I may not always agree with the decisions of the American people that the POTUS follows through with, but I should always keep my personal feelings OUT from the public (and service community) and do the service I had sworn to do 'under oath'! Some of our Commanders give service members the opportunity to become "Commander for the Day" and are free to do command and implement (within the law) what they feel is good for the organization. The opportunity to make change! Think of this; what, where, when and how would YOU react and do (change) if you were in 'their shoes'?
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