Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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Look when you're active duty and you're under the UCMJ (technically many times we've discussed on RP that Vets and especially Retired can sometimes be under the UCMJ as well) and the end-all catch-all Code is: Conduct Unbecoming. This Code covers anything you might do or say that might be considered disparaging on or to your branch of the service, the military in general or the command structure of the same, etc. Let's not forget POTUS is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and therefore your commanding officer. No matter social media or not, if I got caught making derogatory comments about anybody in my chain of command in a public manner (i.e. social media) my ass would be grass, in my command would be a lawn mower, rightly so!
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Brad Miller
Using as an example those poor sailors from HMS Queen Elizabeth ... public urination, in uniform -- conduct unbecoming? If not in uniform -- conduct disgusting?
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NO!
Much of the comments I see come from misinformation spread by the media. So it puts people in the position of expressing political opinion and thus engaging in political activity, which is forbidden by the Hatch Act for federal employees.
Much of the comments I see come from misinformation spread by the media. So it puts people in the position of expressing political opinion and thus engaging in political activity, which is forbidden by the Hatch Act for federal employees.
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Active memebers of the US Armed Forces should NOT be allowed to make disparaging remarks about the POTUS. He is their CINC. Period. They are in the military and they need to remember they are in the military.
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What you do in uniform matters, what you do OUT of uniform and NOT identifying yourself as a member of the military is another matter! There are limits one must use thier discretion
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Definately not! I believe it is against regualtions and could be punishable under UCMJ.
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Sure. And why not trash your C.O., X.O. and your N.C.O.I.C. He is the "Commander in Cheif" of the Armed forces. He should be respected. At least publicly.
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Publicly disparaging remarks about the Commander-in-Chief, or anyone in the chain of command, is punishable under the UCMJ. If those currently on active duty may want to exercise their First Amendment rights they should first separate from the Service. It has been almost a half century and I still remember in Vietnam my battalion commander's admonition that we were there to defend democracy; not to practice it.
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For the longest time, when I was active, I didn't vote in presidential elections. My beliefs were, like the line later coined I believe on "West Wing." I serve at the pleasure of the President or something like that. But I didn't feel that I should vote for one just in case I have to take orders from the other. Maybe that's why I'm an independent these days. I vote more on issues and a candidates beliefs and responses.
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Short answer is no. Longer answer is still no but with some explanation. I don't specifically remember what article it is but I remember being told about and reading it for myself about being disrespectful of those in your chain of command and it was different then the one about disrespecting an NCO. So when I was in my opinion on anything POTUS did was that I had no opinion. I told a few people that my opinion was that I had no opinion as long as I was in the military and/or as long as he was in office at the same time. After Obama finished his time I can now say that I wasn't a fan of Obama, but anyway as long as POTUS is POTUS and you are in the military and they are technically in your chain of command as commander in chief I would keep my mouth shut. I also did the same thing with the supervisors or individuals I wasn't fond of in my chain of command. I still had respect for the rank but not the individual but as long as they were in my chain of command I said nothing about them.
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