Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you believe it is ok for active service members to degrade the POTUS on RP?
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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Absolutely NOT, the POTUS is OUR commander in chief, and although you may disagree OR "feel" a certain way under no extenuating circumstances should anyone in this great nation's armed forces degrade the POTUS regardless of their party affiliation.
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Article 88 refers only to active duty Officers. However, "DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty. Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation." So active duty members enlisted and WO of the military are prohibited from making these comments while on active duty only (Full-time or training). If a person is a member of the Reserves or Guard, and they are not on active duty, they have the right to say what they want. Infringing on 1A would be a violation. The Constitution is a higher authority than the UCMJ.
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Let's take this out of the military, for just a minute. Do you believe it is acceptable to publically make disparaging remarks about your boss or even his boss? No! Not if you want to work there very long. There is an old saying: "You don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
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Degrading remarks about the President of the United States is not appropriate. Over the years the 1st amendment rights have been used to excuse bad behavior. Politicians have used and abused it for year and have discredited themselves.
Often I listen to discussion on the floor, and hearing politicians elected by the people flat out lie and misrepresent facts.
It bothered me enough for me to call the ethics committee about a Senator who outright made statements of facts that were not factual. I felt he should be required to correct his statements,
The response was: They are all protected by their 1st amendment right and floor did not have a fact finding group. So they can say whatever they want... without consequences. Just as they do with their campaign speeches, Miss Nix and myself have been calling the politicians out by asking them questions that are factual. The common response is no response. The effort is to raise awareness.
With that said I have low regard for anyone making dispersing comment about our President. It is disrespectful to our Flag, and a disgraceful. At the same time they have the right to say whatever they want as I have the right to ignore.
Often I listen to discussion on the floor, and hearing politicians elected by the people flat out lie and misrepresent facts.
It bothered me enough for me to call the ethics committee about a Senator who outright made statements of facts that were not factual. I felt he should be required to correct his statements,
The response was: They are all protected by their 1st amendment right and floor did not have a fact finding group. So they can say whatever they want... without consequences. Just as they do with their campaign speeches, Miss Nix and myself have been calling the politicians out by asking them questions that are factual. The common response is no response. The effort is to raise awareness.
With that said I have low regard for anyone making dispersing comment about our President. It is disrespectful to our Flag, and a disgraceful. At the same time they have the right to say whatever they want as I have the right to ignore.
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Unfortunately I have witnessed this myself. I hold my political views to myself as religion and politics are seldom good subjects for conversation in groups of people. As a retiree I am fully aware that I am still very much subject to the provisions of art. 88 of the UCMJ as I was while on active duty. I would rather not have some degrading remark made in the heat of debate come back and bite me in the backside.
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Veterans yes military no when you enlist you give up certain rights in order to preserve others rights!
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Freedom of speech is the reason we have a military and to say those serving should keep their mouths shut is typical commissioned officer behavior.
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Brad Miller
Have to disagree with that one. Even as a civilian, if discipline and good order are not maintained in the chain of command, everything starts to come apart. If you start trash-talking your boss, people start not doing what they're told.
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PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith
Yes be good little puppets and do as you are told. Brainwashed comments like that make me thankful I took my honorable and ran.....having to listen to ignorance because or rank and lack of common sense.
The fear mongers who hold rank do not know a thing about real leadership...trying to scare people online with the UCMJ is a perfect example.
The fear mongers who hold rank do not know a thing about real leadership...trying to scare people online with the UCMJ is a perfect example.
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