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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Militia_(Union)
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
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CPT M Cannonie – If I remember right there are several states with their own “land and naval” forces, such as Calif, NM, NY and others. The ANG and ARNG are “organized” militias versus “unorganized” like the state defense forces in MO. IMHO I am fine with these – as there’s some state affiliation and oversight. “Independent” militias like the Colorado Front Range Militia and countless others who are often strict Constitutionalists who reject Federal and some State Authority scare me.
Here’s a MO anecdote. When the MOARNG activated a new infantry unit, they activated the 138th IN Regt. The 138th served with distinction in GWOT and previous wars. But the State or whoever, selected a unit with HISTORICAL ties with MO – but also a STRONG CSA battle record. I am from Missouri and would have found a unit with less ties to the Confederacy “If I had MY WAY” NONE OF THIS IS NEW THOUGH.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/24/army-national-guard-civil-war/29236277
Here’s a MO anecdote. When the MOARNG activated a new infantry unit, they activated the 138th IN Regt. The 138th served with distinction in GWOT and previous wars. But the State or whoever, selected a unit with HISTORICAL ties with MO – but also a STRONG CSA battle record. I am from Missouri and would have found a unit with less ties to the Confederacy “If I had MY WAY” NONE OF THIS IS NEW THOUGH.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/24/army-national-guard-civil-war/29236277
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Maj. Brennan You are correct but the specific group to which I am referring is not linked to the MOARNG and not governed by State or Federal authority. It is a civilian based organization. Please see my other posts about it with Col Mikel Burroughs. I placed links under those posts. I noted though that after my initial posting of links some of the urls were made invalid and others remained.
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State militia is the sole reason and how the whole revolutionary war was successful yes they should be a part of the whole of the defense of state rights and partisanship. If if was not for state militia this country would not be. The greatest Country in the world the United States of America.
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The Texas State Guard is the component that is supposed to hold things down should the TX Army National Guard be mobilized, however they are relatively untrained and have virtually no authority.
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SGT Adrian Thompson
Thanks for the info. I should have specified "untrained". From a humanitarian standpoint, they sound trained well enough to do their job. I was assuming that the primary purpose of a militia was the defense of property and people, but as I understand it, military service isn't required to become a member- they just have to attend an orientation course.
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SGT Adrian Thompson I would like to know what you base your remarks on that they are "relatively untrained". I personally know several of them and know a good number are former Service member's who are combat veterans or have retired from either active duty, the reserves or the guard. I know they include combat arms (as in riflemen/infantryman), combat support and combat service support, and there are people from every branch of service (including Marines) in the Texas State Guard.
As for them "having no authority", they have whatever authority the Governor of Texas gives them through the Adjutant General of the Texas National Guard.
Finally you state they are "supposed to hold things down should the TX Army National Guard be mobilized" - which proves you know nothing about them. I suggest you at least Google a topic before you post something you know nothing about. You will see they have done, and are doing, a little more than "holding things down when the TXARNG gets mobilized".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard
As for them "having no authority", they have whatever authority the Governor of Texas gives them through the Adjutant General of the Texas National Guard.
Finally you state they are "supposed to hold things down should the TX Army National Guard be mobilized" - which proves you know nothing about them. I suggest you at least Google a topic before you post something you know nothing about. You will see they have done, and are doing, a little more than "holding things down when the TXARNG gets mobilized".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard
Texas State Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Texas State Guard (TXSG) is one of three branches of the Texas Military Forces. Along with the other two branches, the TXSG falls under the command of the Governor of Texas and is administered by the Texas Adjutant General, an appointee of the Governor. The other two branches of the Texas Military Forces are the Texas Army National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard.
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SGT Adrian Thompson
Just because an organization has some prior military in it, does not make it a well trained paramilitary force. My college campus has tons of veterans, but I wouldn't call my college an elite military unit. There is NO requirement for military service. The authority they have is given by the state governor, yes- but even the National Guard is federalized when needed.
The link you posted states plainly that "The mission of the Texas State Guard (TXSG) is to provide mission-ready military forces to assist state and local authorities in times of state emergencies, to conduct homeland security and community service activities under the umbrella of Defense Support to Civil Authorities, and to augment the Texas Army National Guard and Texas Air National Guard as required." This says to me that they work when the National Guard is 'busy'. By the way, my statement about the State Guard holding things down when the National Guard is mobilized is straight out of the mouth of someone in the Texas State Guard.
As I specified before, I'm not talking about fighting forest fires, here. I'm talking about operating as a combat-ready defensive military force. That IS the primary purpose of a militia, isn't it?
If you're trying to tell me that some volunteers with no required military service are trained well enough to hold off an invasion from an opposing military force, then I just flat-out disagree.
The link you posted states plainly that "The mission of the Texas State Guard (TXSG) is to provide mission-ready military forces to assist state and local authorities in times of state emergencies, to conduct homeland security and community service activities under the umbrella of Defense Support to Civil Authorities, and to augment the Texas Army National Guard and Texas Air National Guard as required." This says to me that they work when the National Guard is 'busy'. By the way, my statement about the State Guard holding things down when the National Guard is mobilized is straight out of the mouth of someone in the Texas State Guard.
As I specified before, I'm not talking about fighting forest fires, here. I'm talking about operating as a combat-ready defensive military force. That IS the primary purpose of a militia, isn't it?
If you're trying to tell me that some volunteers with no required military service are trained well enough to hold off an invasion from an opposing military force, then I just flat-out disagree.
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I would like to add- from what I've read, they aren't even authorized to carry weapons on duty. They also have no PT standards and receive very limited weapons training.
They aren't sworn officers of the law, and they don't supercede any federal or state military authority.
Here is a quote I found from a TXSG member, "We are Texas military volunteers that help other Texans during floods and other natural disasters. We’re not federal troops. We’re not allowed to carry weapons. We purchase our own uniforms and equipment and unfortunately, we have to rely on events like this so we can pay for our own training, meals, and gear so we can better serve our fellow citizens during emergencies."
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/03/06/lies-and-disinformation-regarding-troops-at-the-texas-kite-festival%E2%80%8F-from-a-friend/
They aren't sworn officers of the law, and they don't supercede any federal or state military authority.
Here is a quote I found from a TXSG member, "We are Texas military volunteers that help other Texans during floods and other natural disasters. We’re not federal troops. We’re not allowed to carry weapons. We purchase our own uniforms and equipment and unfortunately, we have to rely on events like this so we can pay for our own training, meals, and gear so we can better serve our fellow citizens during emergencies."
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/03/06/lies-and-disinformation-regarding-troops-at-the-texas-kite-festival%E2%80%8F-from-a-friend/
Lies and disinformation regarding troops at the Texas Kite Festival (from a friend)
3/05/12 To ‘Jack Blood’ From a listener. Last Sunday, at the Texas Kite Festival, there were Texas State Guard troops assisting the event organizers at the parking lot. The event to…
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I have no problem with militias existing; either state or privately run. If people want to be prepared to defend their nation without the burdens of serving in the military then all the power to them. I see these groups as a resource few if any other nation has. What nation would in invade America knowing that besides the military every citizen with a firearm would be shooting out a window? Don't forget without militia we would have never won the revolutionary war. I day if people want to occupy their time and a militia is the route they choose than they have every right to do so. Banning them isn't just unconstitutional but would also expand them underground.
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Texas has one too.
https://www.txmf.us/texas-state-guard
https://www.txmf.us/texas-state-guard
Texas State Guard - Texas Military
The Texas State Guard is one of three branches of the Texas Military Forces, Adjutant General of Texas and the Governor as Commander-in-Chief.
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The state militia has it's current roots in the fact that so much of the AD support is tied up in the NG/USAR. Also do to the deployment cycles, many NG units have been called up for service outside the country- MFO- Sinai for one. Thus leaving the Governor with no one to call in case of emergencies.
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I thought about this question with the ongoing situation in Oregon and the militia members that showed up there. I think their inefficacy was shown when they asked for money, socks, and snacks. While they do have the right to exist, I don't see them really doing anything other than being a news story every now and then.
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