Posted on Sep 24, 2014
Do you believe that Sharia Law is compatible with our Constitution?
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I want to know whether anyone believes that Islam in America demanding Sharia Law will work in America with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. With the growing Muslim population (both legally and illegally) and all of the special treatment they get regarding their religion as compared to any other in America are you worried about whether our Constitution will survive?
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No. Sharia law requires a totalitarian form of rule to operate. Our constitution works best in a secular environment.
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I will have to agree to some degree; here's why; and no it is not in accordance with our laws here but some of those laws I do agree with such as crime. rape, murder, theft, and other major crimes are dealt with on a different level. you rape kids or murder someone. you are put to death within weeks and I like that. I think crime will stop overnight here in this country and that's very effective. the problem is that we have too many people and companies making money off of the justice system. we have too many criminals that are walking the streets because of flaws and loopholes in our judicial system. so some of the sharia law I do support when it comes to crimes committed. that's just my take on it.
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COL George Antochy
I do not believe that Sharia Law will allow for us to pick and choose which ones we like and which we disapprove of. I do agree that our criminal justice system has gone to hell these past 50 years, and we need to revamp the entire system.
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SPC Paul Shene III
Draconian penalties do not solve basic impulses. Many rapist get started by a culture where women are systematically de-valued. The theft of billions remains unpunished because the theft was done by robosigning foreclosure proceedings rather than with a firearm. Our judicial and correctional system favors wealth over truth. Adding draconian penalties won't make crime disappear. it just gives another way to clamp the iron boot on the throat of the poor and powerless.
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What is Sharia Law
A quick and simple definition of the Sharia law is a prophetic law derived from the writings of the Quran, and Sunna. The actual rules and interpretations of the types of laws required by “Sharia Law” is not at all standard. Before the introduction of western colonial powers into the middle east the use of these laws were mostly to through the local community, and since they did not have judges, or courts is one of the reasons that so many of these odd requirements and punishments exist. For example the requirement that two eye witnesses be present to punish somebody for theft.
After the introduction of the western legal systems we see an attempt to move these laws to a legal system. Like most indigenous populations the introduction of these systems has sustained a conservative movement within the religion, and political frameworks that has pushed for the de-westernization. This can be seen in Iran, and Saudi Arabia whom both practice the conservative forms of the Sharia Law. Other nations have accepted westernization, and have abandoned the Sharia style laws for a completely new system of laws such as Turkey.
The most striking the situation is the harsh punishments for the breaking certain laws, most notably the haram sexual laws which are similar to those of the other Abrahamic faiths, but are actually carried out in the modern era. These things include adultery, homosexuality, and premarital sex carrying the punishment of death. Finally the most important and unfortunately not always followed provision of Sharia Law is that all non-Muslim people are to exempt from the any provisions of the laws. It was not meant for the use as national legal framework.
Where is Sharia Law really creeping into the United States?
A recent poll of North Carolinian's found that 34% of respondents would favor the establishment of Christianity as the state religion. Further to the west in the State of Oklahoma Mr. Scott Esk a candidate for the State House of Representatives actually advocated for the stoning of homosexuals in June. Further we have a large amount of candidates who display dominionism in the way they wish to appoint or only consent to appointments of Judges, and secular office holders by mandating a religious test.
While in the general definition and in the statement most people would say they are against Sharia Law, but the implementation, and protection of corporal punishments in schools (19 States still allow this practice), the push for school sanctioned prayer, and demands that the public school system teach only subjects that are parallel to the popular religion are Sharia like laws practiced in our education system today. Do I think that the people who push these laws are as bad as the Prince of Saudi Arabia? No, absolutely not, but removing the action from a word and then searching for that action shows that Islamic Americans are not the true threat to the separation of Church and State, but that Christians as the majority are.
Until recently the practice of religion and the administration of the government have always been a subject that groups have pushed, but until recently the Supreme Court of the United States has blocked or reversed these attempts, but with the recent Hobby Lobby decision it may be debatable as to the ways that the court will rule in future determinations.
The Original Question.
Does Sharia Law fall inside or outside of the U.S. Constitution; both inside and out, much like Biblical law. Sharia within the family with the expectation of the separation of interference by the Government in the practice of their religion is well protected, and does fall under the U.S. Constitution. These things include patriarchy, discipline of children, education of children, financial management, and manner of foods eaten. Also the contract of marriage for a Muslim couple is much different than that of a Non-Muslim couple making the rules for dissolution much different, and highly variable. These in so far as all persons consent to their practice is acceptable and protected under the Constitution. Practices in the middle east of female circumcision are terrible and should never be permissible in the United States.
I say look at the provision that is being called Sharia law, and consider it independent of the word. Simply saying that we have sharia law because the school district with the large Muslim population offers a halal compliant lunch at school, or that the only head covering allowed in the court room is hajab does not constitute Sharia Law. Look at the politicians who fought the installation of a foot washing basin, to find out it was meant clean the mops the custodians used….
A quick and simple definition of the Sharia law is a prophetic law derived from the writings of the Quran, and Sunna. The actual rules and interpretations of the types of laws required by “Sharia Law” is not at all standard. Before the introduction of western colonial powers into the middle east the use of these laws were mostly to through the local community, and since they did not have judges, or courts is one of the reasons that so many of these odd requirements and punishments exist. For example the requirement that two eye witnesses be present to punish somebody for theft.
After the introduction of the western legal systems we see an attempt to move these laws to a legal system. Like most indigenous populations the introduction of these systems has sustained a conservative movement within the religion, and political frameworks that has pushed for the de-westernization. This can be seen in Iran, and Saudi Arabia whom both practice the conservative forms of the Sharia Law. Other nations have accepted westernization, and have abandoned the Sharia style laws for a completely new system of laws such as Turkey.
The most striking the situation is the harsh punishments for the breaking certain laws, most notably the haram sexual laws which are similar to those of the other Abrahamic faiths, but are actually carried out in the modern era. These things include adultery, homosexuality, and premarital sex carrying the punishment of death. Finally the most important and unfortunately not always followed provision of Sharia Law is that all non-Muslim people are to exempt from the any provisions of the laws. It was not meant for the use as national legal framework.
Where is Sharia Law really creeping into the United States?
A recent poll of North Carolinian's found that 34% of respondents would favor the establishment of Christianity as the state religion. Further to the west in the State of Oklahoma Mr. Scott Esk a candidate for the State House of Representatives actually advocated for the stoning of homosexuals in June. Further we have a large amount of candidates who display dominionism in the way they wish to appoint or only consent to appointments of Judges, and secular office holders by mandating a religious test.
While in the general definition and in the statement most people would say they are against Sharia Law, but the implementation, and protection of corporal punishments in schools (19 States still allow this practice), the push for school sanctioned prayer, and demands that the public school system teach only subjects that are parallel to the popular religion are Sharia like laws practiced in our education system today. Do I think that the people who push these laws are as bad as the Prince of Saudi Arabia? No, absolutely not, but removing the action from a word and then searching for that action shows that Islamic Americans are not the true threat to the separation of Church and State, but that Christians as the majority are.
Until recently the practice of religion and the administration of the government have always been a subject that groups have pushed, but until recently the Supreme Court of the United States has blocked or reversed these attempts, but with the recent Hobby Lobby decision it may be debatable as to the ways that the court will rule in future determinations.
The Original Question.
Does Sharia Law fall inside or outside of the U.S. Constitution; both inside and out, much like Biblical law. Sharia within the family with the expectation of the separation of interference by the Government in the practice of their religion is well protected, and does fall under the U.S. Constitution. These things include patriarchy, discipline of children, education of children, financial management, and manner of foods eaten. Also the contract of marriage for a Muslim couple is much different than that of a Non-Muslim couple making the rules for dissolution much different, and highly variable. These in so far as all persons consent to their practice is acceptable and protected under the Constitution. Practices in the middle east of female circumcision are terrible and should never be permissible in the United States.
I say look at the provision that is being called Sharia law, and consider it independent of the word. Simply saying that we have sharia law because the school district with the large Muslim population offers a halal compliant lunch at school, or that the only head covering allowed in the court room is hajab does not constitute Sharia Law. Look at the politicians who fought the installation of a foot washing basin, to find out it was meant clean the mops the custodians used….
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
Sir, if you love America I urge you to do an impartial study of the founding fathers and their autobiographies. America was founded on Christians principles and our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. The only difference is that we do not say Christianity of death. The moral tenets of Christianity are sorely needed in our government and society. please do the research and then get back to me with an opinion based more on actual history of our coming together as a nation, what the differences are between Christianity and Islam (Jesus said [in response to your stoning comment] "let he among you without sin cast the first stone"), and the faith and beliefs of our founding fathers, let alone a true understanding of each part of the Constitution and why it was written the way it was written. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
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Cpl Chris Rice
Uh...no; you do the research and write me a summary. I stated my case through my reading and your response has nothing to do with my statement, while making broad assertions about founding intent that may have been present, but was not manifested into the Constitution. I appreciate the read, but I should be able to have a dissenting opinion on this site without having my love of this country questioned, and handed an assignment.
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A big overwhelming no. Shariah law minus the banking has penalties for crimes that involved murder and other means which are illegal. Finally, US laws supersede foreign laws. States are already clamping down on this to ban at both a state and fed level.
Shariah Law may work there when culturally, every country there hates one another and is an artificial construct post Ottoman Empire and WW2. To rule some of those countries and areas where it is a revenge tribal based society, a heavy hand seems to be needed.
Shariah Law may work there when culturally, every country there hates one another and is an artificial construct post Ottoman Empire and WW2. To rule some of those countries and areas where it is a revenge tribal based society, a heavy hand seems to be needed.
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I think our Constitution will survive, but I think it's sad that your question is probably a valid one. How in the world does Sharia law threaten our country? It shouldn't, but I can see how it might ... all in the name of "tolerance" and political correctness. You ask a great question, in my opinion, and our political leaders - the folks we elect to represent us - will have to answer the question as we go forward.
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SPC Paul Shene III
Religious dominion by any religion is incompatible with our constitution. Only freedom of and from religion is compatible. No establishment, no prohibiting free exercise thereof.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
Mr. Shene it is not protection from religion but the protection from being forced in to believing or forced to following a religion. Please read the First Amendment and tell me what you think.....
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LTC W. H. "Wally" Wallace
Our politicians are just a bunch of cowards and refuse to do anything about it. They just sit on their hands and do nothing.
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Our Constitution will survive.As Isoroku Yamamoto put it You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.Islam does have a foothold in America but it will not dominate.Sharia Law is not compatible with our Bill of rights or Constitution.
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SSG Maurice P.
I CANT WAIT FOR OPEN SEASON... SO FAR, THERE IS 23 ISIS I NEED PAY BACK ON... THAT WOULD BE 16 FOR MY FELLOW BROTHER TANKERS (19k)also my brother (11B) AND MY FRIENDS THE SCOUTS (19D)3 IRAQI INTERPRETERS THAT THEY KILLED WHO WORKED FOR US...AND THE 4 PEOPLE WHO GOT BEHEADED...ALL I NEED TO ACCOMPLISH MY MISSION IS MY SHOTGUN MY .45 ACP AND MY SUPER SHARP K-BAR AND 23 DRESSES
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SSG Maurice P.
of course it did TOP...........im not politically correct,as you can see i retired a staff sergeant
20 years active duty 14 years active reserve 34 years total time in uniform...My Armor Bn lost 16 soldiers and 3 Iraqi Interpreters...I WANT AND NEED PAYBACK....WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.....Those people arent afraid to die or to kill you or i so how do you combat someone who has nothing to lose.......they hate women so send them home in a dress disgraced...break their minds....
20 years active duty 14 years active reserve 34 years total time in uniform...My Armor Bn lost 16 soldiers and 3 Iraqi Interpreters...I WANT AND NEED PAYBACK....WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.....Those people arent afraid to die or to kill you or i so how do you combat someone who has nothing to lose.......they hate women so send them home in a dress disgraced...break their minds....
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
God will have the vengeance brother. He might use you to get it, but do not let it poison you or break your happiness. When we serve against evil, some of us fall and some of us carry on. God Speed to you, but more importantly God's Peace and Love....
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No, I do not feel it is compatible. When the US Constitution is treated as being equal or secondary to any other legal system then it loses it's value and protections. Our freedoms that the Constitution were intended to be bestowed on man by a force more powerful than government which was intentional because anything granted by the government can be taken away by government. Sharia law is incompatible based on the punishments and power it gives to the authority over man.
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Maj Matt Hylton There always to be a Muslim apologist in every group who think they know something we don't.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
I'm not defending the radical Muslims. I'm just saying that almost any religion has the potential to become a force for evil when taken to extremes. The inquisition is a good example of Christianity gone awry. We are just fortunate that most of those Christian nations have become industrialized, with a system of laws that protect everyone, not just the majority religion.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
Captain Williams, if you could revisit your studies on the Inquisition, you may find that it was in reaction to an unchecked bloody expansion of Islam into Europe. It was a concerted effort by Europe to retake lands taken from them first by Islam. Unfortunately Islam believes that once they conquer a land that the land belongs to Islam for eternity. Even the land promised to Israel in the Bible belongs (in their eyes) to Islam. The religion of peace will only be a religion of peace when the whole world is under their thumb.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
And that's why the Spanish executed and deported so many Jews? As a response to Islam?
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
If you look at the reasoning why the Spanish executed the Jews it was because they were allegedly in league with the Muslims for a while. Look, neither you or I was there, Islam destroyed much of the history, and all religions make mistakes because human beings are involved. I do not ascribe to a religion, I serve a Risen King. There needs to be a modern response to the atrocities committed, being committed or in planning against radical Islam. We need to more thoroughly screen immigrants to ensure they have no radical lean. Countries that elect and support radical Islam should receive no aid from us. There are many things we can do. One of the most important things is to change the rules of engagement. Our current rules of engagement were made by people who have never served. I think the rules of engagement should be made by military leaders, or at least those who have served. It is sort of like allowing your dentist to tell your heart surgeon how to do a quadruple bypass. It just ain't right!
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