Posted on Sep 6, 2015
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Given that the UK, French and Australian armies have all adopted bull pup battle rifles and we have increasingly become involved in CQC in cities, do you think that its agility in close quarters yet the accuracy of full barrel length is the rifle design of the future?
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The answer to your question is "yes" but it is a caveated yes, because we're probably 20~ years away from our next service rifle.
The Bullpup design offers a few really great advantages. First, it gives us a shorter profile, without actually sacrificing either barrel length or sight radius, which are essential for accuracy. Second, by bring the barrel "deeper" into the rifle itself, we are able to better protect it in a few ways.
As an example, take a look at the FS2000, which uses the same caliber, same mags, and same accessories we have now... Again, this is just an example.
The Bullpup design offers a few really great advantages. First, it gives us a shorter profile, without actually sacrificing either barrel length or sight radius, which are essential for accuracy. Second, by bring the barrel "deeper" into the rifle itself, we are able to better protect it in a few ways.
As an example, take a look at the FS2000, which uses the same caliber, same mags, and same accessories we have now... Again, this is just an example.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CPL David Rosenlund depends on where the front sight would have been located on the weapon originally. It's a hard argument to quantify, especially when comparing weapons like an M16/M4 v FS2000 however, because of various barrel lengths resulting in some configurations actually ending up "equal" while others not.
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I've never fired a bullpup, but from what I've seen of their designs, it looks like every time a new bullpup rifle was made, there seemed to be some sort of notion that they should also use experimental composites and "gimmicks" like built-in scopes and other add-ons at the same time. That makes an already unusual weapon even more complex from the start.
A purpose-designed bullpup, of simple, straightforward and proven principles, would probably work well, with only training needed to overcome the change in center-of-gravity and reloading. Then troops can add sights, scopes, lights, lasers, handles, etc according to their comfort.
A purpose-designed bullpup, of simple, straightforward and proven principles, would probably work well, with only training needed to overcome the change in center-of-gravity and reloading. Then troops can add sights, scopes, lights, lasers, handles, etc according to their comfort.
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Suspended Profile
I think it's the best idea, but I'm not sure how likely it is. As a group, we're very resistant to changes.
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Cpl Dennis F. you make some good points. The only real downside of bullpups (reload speed) is addressable through training....
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Keep it simple.
The battlefield is no place for lengthy maintenance issues with your weapons.
Especially during fire fights!
The battlefield is no place for lengthy maintenance issues with your weapons.
Especially during fire fights!
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Cpl Dennis F. I'll join you on the range for a few months of all day shooting until we can give the RallyPoint recommendation.
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SFC Mark Merino
Rain check. I'm working on trying to save a few of the OH-58D's from the shredder. I wonder if we can get one for outside the RallyPoint office? LTC Yinon Weiss CPT Aaron Kletzing SSG Carlos Madden is there room on the front lawn?
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From what I've read, troops that have the bullpups aren't too wild about them. I think the bullpup was a 90s fad. I do not expect that our next rifle will be a bullpup.
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Cpl Dennis F. They are very tail heavy, because the action and magazine sit close to the shooters shoulder, meaning they don't point or balance anything like an M4. Great Britain and Australia both adopted bullpups, and then issue M4s to their special operations forces.
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I hope whatever design that is picked that it will work in combat. AR/M4 types are good, but not the most reliable when the rubber meets the road. First Hand Experience.
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I recently had the opportunity to purchase a Sig Sauer P516, and the P556 is pretty awesome too. They shoot a NATO 223 round, and as short as a 7.5 inch barrel.....I zeroed mine at 200 meters using PMC X-TAC's....this would be a monster for close quarters use, very stable platform and very quick and easy to get used to.
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Cpl Dennis F.
SFC (Join to see) - Are you referring to the "Bushmaster ARM gun", that is a bull pup, or just an AR manufactured by Bushmaster?
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Cpl Dennis F.
CSM Michael J. Uhlig - I have built and shot AR pistols and although they manage surprising performance, they are not Bull pups, nor very likely to become our future battle rifle. Hung from a single point bungee I refer to them as my amulet against evil:)
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Cpl Dennis F.
Thanks SFC Mark Merino this is an old rare one. I believe the AF played with these a bit.
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