Posted on Sep 25, 2015
SSgt Alex Robinson
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SP5 Howard Moore
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absolutely hell they were probably given more shit than the men just because of it
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SP5 Howard Moore
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absolutely no doubt they passed and I'm sure they were very well prepared before they started no commander worth a dam would set up a solider to fail it not only reflects bad on the soldier but himself as well
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At a minimum they were prepped and coached. The Rangers I know did it on their own. No breaks. No slack. These ladies may be good soldiers, but by accepting favors they broke their oath. Definitely cases of respect the rank not the person in my opinion.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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Anyone who doubts this, who in not a Ranger or something similar, needs to get on that course and run it and see how they do.
I'm getting sick of all these ass clowns doing the armchair quarterback thing and insinuating that standards were lowered for the women. So if that was the case then how come only 2 made it? And how come more of the men didn't make it? Obvious answer is that standards were maintained and that the Rangers running the course have their integrity in tact.
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CPT John Hanaberry
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PO Boucher. Ranger tab. Nov ' 66. NO Armchair Qback here Standards HAVE BEEN LOWERED ' OLD' Ranger rules. NO RECYCLES Allowed. You had ONE shot to complete in 9 WEEKS NOT this 4 to 6 MONTHS nonsense. NO females would have passed. Charlie Beckwith was Camp Cmdr RVN Inf Combat Vet Ranger Advisor Vietnamese Army ' 68 - ' 69
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MAJ Keira Brennan
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Do you believe what the Officers and NCOs of the RTB and fellow classmates stated about the two Ranger school grads?
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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I know a general officer told the training battalion that women would graduate and I know the women in the program were given additional trading before their program began.
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MAJ Keira Brennan
MAJ Keira Brennan
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Ah the old conspiracy theory at work.
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LCDR Jayne Garland
LCDR Jayne Garland
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Clearly anyone smart enough to do some preparatory work to increase their chances of passing are cheating. Heck they were probably also cheating because of the state they were from, the color of their eyes and their favorite flavor of ice cream. :)
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SGT Dave Tracy
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I wouldn't presume to know or even hazard a guess for that matter, but I would be curious to hear what the Ranger School instructors would say if they could speak freely without any worry of retribution-from anyone.
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SFC Joseph Weber
SFC Joseph Weber
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Then you are assuming it's true. Because they would have something to say if the threat of retribution was not on the table.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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SFC Joseph Weber - You assume incorrectly. Saying something unpopular like "no special treatment" could affect their careers just as saying "they got special treatment" could. There are MANY people who feel the women got special treatment, and it is NOT unreasonable to believe that if the instructors were to come out and claim they got no special treatment, that many of these people would be take such statements as objectionable. For example, I can easily imagine fraternal or professional ostracism. I can also easily imagine that the instructors who “pencil whipped” the women through Ranger school, as some will always believe whether true or not, having to carry that burden throughout their careers.

So I can see the downsides to publically coming out and giving their full account regardless of what the truth may be; hence my belief that hearing their point-of-view free of potential retribution would be very enlightening.
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CPT Elizabeth Foster
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Of course the success of 2 females in Ranger school sparks the discourse of discussions as to whether or not they passed of their own merit. I'm betting it's been a very long time since anyone questioned the passing of any male soldier. Why is it so difficult for men to believe there are actually females with the physical, intellectual, and psychological fitness to pass this rigorous course?!? Never, ever, not even once was I, as a female cadet or officer ever given any sort of special treatment during training, and often found myself to be the only female in the entire group. At 5ft tall and 115 lbs, I would agree that most, if not all of the males I trained with were bigger and stronger than me physically, but I was absolutely, if not more intelligent and level headed as any of them. In fact, they often became more bent out of shape than I did over simple things! Anger, aggressiveness, ego, and the desire for power can be just as detrimental to a leader's judgement as any other emotional response.
As far as special training prior to the course, I would imagine that none of the females were infantry officers and training them in basic infantry skills would only serve to level the playing field, not tilt it to their advantage.
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1SG Jacob Baty
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As a former RI and having good friends still serving as instructors in RTB. My buddies have said the ladies are legit.
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LTC John Wilson
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First of all this question should never have to be answered in a social forum or anywhere else. I believe in the integrity of the Officers and NCO's that run the School and I don't believe they will make any exceptions to any candidate in spite of a General's wishes. I admit is is a first! I also admit that the cadre felt they were qualified to become Rangers and they earned the Tab. Now if you can show me other wise? I will rethink my comment. Rangers Lead The Way!
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TSgt Ncoic, Eod Team Leader Course
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I think anyone who feels these two women were not held to the same standards are not attacking these two women, but instead the instructional institution at the course. Even if told to provide special treatment, this is in no way a lawful order, so it is on the cadre to decide whether or not to execute this request and to highlight the corruption if it does exist. As NCOs, this is part of their duty, so if these women did in fact get special treatment, then the accountability ultimately does not rest on them in my eyes.

If we want to stop the hateful remarks, we have to stop throwing people into the spotlight, but that won't happen any time soon thanks to the media of today. There are standards to meet, and to say that women cannot--yet men can--meet said standards has already been proven wrong for years; we have seen not all men are made from the same material, and many who try do not successfully make it through the entirety of the Ranger school. I don't have the data on how many men roll back three times in each of the Phases, but does it really matter? Males were given the same opportunities to continue the course that these three women were. To instantly presume that no woman has the physical, mental, or emotional capacity to complete this course is just ignorance talking. When we use this as a platform for women to pound their chests, however, we open it up for scrutiny.

If I'm not mistaken, the intentions of this course are to provide leadership qualities and enhance skillsets, so to withhold the course from women doesn't make much sense to me, anyway; I think there is still much discussion to be done in regards to where women can and will be integrated into specific forces as they provide combat capabilities in a joint environment, but opening this school up to women does not really factor into that debate.
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