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Many who have studied Islam have various feelings as to the status of Islam. Please respond as to why you do or do not accept Islam as a religion.
Does Islam rate protection under the Bill of Rights?
Does Islam rate protection under the Bill of Rights?
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It is a religion and protected. But, if you study Christianity and Judaism, you will find some pretty strange stuff too. Some very strict guidance on a variety of things (any one out there giving 10% of their gross paycheck to the church?) and other things that we primarily do not follow today. The modernization of these religions have seen the organizations and clergy lessen the strict codes that were spelled out. If you find a fundamentalist in any religion you will find someone that is out of touch with the modern world. Fundamentalism was coined in the U.S. around 1905 to describe Christians that did not agree with modernization of Christianity. Islam has not modernized for the most part due to the fact that in the Sunni sect no one is allowed to reinterpret Mohommad's teachings, it is the way it was when the 12th Immam died.
fun·da·men·tal·ism [fuhn-duh-men-tl-iz-uhm]
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1. a movement in American Protestantism that arose in the early part of the 20th century in reaction to modernism and that stresses the infallibility of the Bible not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record, holding as essential to Christian faith belief in such doctrines as the creation of the world, the virgin birth, physical resurrection, atonement by the sacrificial death of Christ, and the Second Coming.
fun·da·men·tal·ism [fuhn-duh-men-tl-iz-uhm]
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1. a movement in American Protestantism that arose in the early part of the 20th century in reaction to modernism and that stresses the infallibility of the Bible not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record, holding as essential to Christian faith belief in such doctrines as the creation of the world, the virgin birth, physical resurrection, atonement by the sacrificial death of Christ, and the Second Coming.
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SSgt James Stanley
LTC Mullins, According to your definition of fundamentalism I'll have to say that I'm a fundamentalist, because I believe all of those basic doctrines of Christianity. If the Bible isn't true in it's entirety then how do we know what's true and what isn't? Who cares what the modern world has to say about Christianity? It's what God says that counts.
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LTC Paul Mullins
And there is nothing wrong with being a fundamentalist, or any other religion/sect, as long as people do not go around infringing on everyone elses rights to what they believe in or casuing them physical or psychological harm. i.e. Killling or sacrificing people for your own religious purposes or because of what they believe in.
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With over a billion adherents, we'd be foolish not to a knowledge it as a "legitimate religion".
Having said that, I disagree with it. Personally, I feel it's toxic and regressive, just like many other religions. I don't make public policy, nor am I in a position to interpret religious freedom of those who believe in something that I do not.
They do deserve protection to practice their religion. They should be afforded certain protections, just like any other religion. The door was opened long before we were born, concerning religious rights. There's no shutting it now.
Down-vote to your heart and souls' content, but it doesn't change reality.
Having said that, I disagree with it. Personally, I feel it's toxic and regressive, just like many other religions. I don't make public policy, nor am I in a position to interpret religious freedom of those who believe in something that I do not.
They do deserve protection to practice their religion. They should be afforded certain protections, just like any other religion. The door was opened long before we were born, concerning religious rights. There's no shutting it now.
Down-vote to your heart and souls' content, but it doesn't change reality.
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GySgt William Hardy
You have stated exactly what I said before. We might have to accept a religion as protected under the Constitution, but on a personal level we have the right to feel as we may. People who give it a blank acceptance will not understand your post or that of others who have negative things to say.
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Capt Jeff S.
If it were just a religion it would be a much more simple matter to discern. As it stands, it's currently much more than a religion. It's a full blown political system that seeks to impose it's interpretation of Sharia law on everyone and subjugate ALL men to Islam in the name of their god Allah.
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This is a loaded loaded question that will quickly and indiscriminately identify ignorant bigots. The legitimacy of a religion can't be question because of a few thousand bad/extremist, Muslims when the there are over a billion peace loving tolerant ones. Do we discredit Christianity because of the Provisional Irish Republican Army or Ku Klux Klan? Should we discredit the people with a lack of belief in anything due to the ideology of atheist such as Lenin and Stalin? fortunately, it is legitimate and is protected by the bill of rights; unfortunately, so is this question.
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Islam is one of the largest religions in the world. I don't care if a person worships a stone and called it a religion it's protected in the bill of rights. I think anyone who calls themselves an American and advocates for religious intolerance or fails to support people of all faiths to their fundamental human right to worship as they please is a hyprocrite. I am a Muslim and I love this nation, served multiple deployments, and will continue to serve and live in the United States of America because of diversity. Furthermore, I could not stand behind a nation that doesn't allow people their fundamental right to worship as they please.
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GySgt William Hardy
SSG Nur, When I started this thread, I was restating what was from another website for veterans. I found that among military members that this subject very much split. On the other site most speak openly of being anti-Muslim. This site is just the opposite. I am currently speaking with a Marine who is a Muslim and have done a lot of research myself. It is amazing to me that the Islamic religion has extremist who have added to the Koran (Qur'an) and some of that has been in the recent past. For example, and you may correct me, there is no passage in the Koran that states if you die for Islam that you get 72 virgins as your reward. However, radical clerics are teaching it. A newer video even shows a radical cleric stating that if you die for Islam you get 70 virgins and their handmaidens, and their handmaidens. Somewhere on another response I have the link to that video. The point is that it is not the mainstream just as handling snakes is not mainstream of Christianity. Personal research on the part of all is very important.
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GySGT William Hardy,
You are correct, mainstream islam does vary significantly from the teachings by these radical clerics. This concept of distortion of religious teachings and/or incorporating false concepts into faith is no stranger to us in our past. One only has to examine history to see that this is not a new phenomenon.
Research and knowledge is a human’s greatest asset. I believe religion is a spiritual journey and that is a convent among an individual and God. I have encountered those who perpetuate hate and I am often dismissive or indifferent to their opinions because to them is their system, and to me is mine. We are all entitled to freedom of speech and unfortunately the accuracy of that information is not a prerequisite to that right. People are entitled to the way they feel and as long as they don’t use that feeling or ideology to infringe on the rights of others.
You are correct, mainstream islam does vary significantly from the teachings by these radical clerics. This concept of distortion of religious teachings and/or incorporating false concepts into faith is no stranger to us in our past. One only has to examine history to see that this is not a new phenomenon.
Research and knowledge is a human’s greatest asset. I believe religion is a spiritual journey and that is a convent among an individual and God. I have encountered those who perpetuate hate and I am often dismissive or indifferent to their opinions because to them is their system, and to me is mine. We are all entitled to freedom of speech and unfortunately the accuracy of that information is not a prerequisite to that right. People are entitled to the way they feel and as long as they don’t use that feeling or ideology to infringe on the rights of others.
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Candy Alkaabi
GySgt William Hardy - There aren't 72 virgins, there is a passage that states that we will be in paradise (if we are allowed in) under a tree with our loved one and will not want for anything, and those "virgins" they plugged in? they are wide eyed servants that are there to serve us and no one gets 72 that was just their way of recruiting people. I love it when people actually research and talk to people that follow the way of life or faith that they are interested in. The best information is from the horses mouth!
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We shall respect the choices others make when it comes down to their faith. Our opinion is irrelevant on this topic.
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GySgt William Hardy
That is correct. The other web site also supported the BoR but they said the opposite about their personal opinion of the Muslim religion. This web site supported both the BoR and the Muslim relgion. I find that interesting..the opposing views that is.
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The General I worked with in Iraq was one of the most devout Muslim's I know. He did not understand the actions of radical Islam. He believed that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity were the true religions and worked together. How else could he justify sending his two American Advisers Christmas Cards every year? Of course we send him the appropriate blessings and wishes for the Muslim holidays.
The problem is that we have never handled anything in the Middle East or Asia well. If you don't understand them or respect them, then don't go! And stop trying to force our belief/political/Military system down peoples throats. It's Nam' all over again X's 2.
Oh Crap..... there I go...... My Agent Orange is acting up.......LOL
The problem is that we have never handled anything in the Middle East or Asia well. If you don't understand them or respect them, then don't go! And stop trying to force our belief/political/Military system down peoples throats. It's Nam' all over again X's 2.
Oh Crap..... there I go...... My Agent Orange is acting up.......LOL
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GySgt William Hardy
I speak with a couple of Muslims who are in the military and they say the same thing. They do not understand the actions of the radicals. When one guy asked me what he could do, I suggested he make a public statement (in the other website we belong to) to show where he stood and also to talk to his clerk about his Mosque making a similar statement. He made his statement and then told us that when he went to his Cleric that he refused to so so because he feared retribution from the radicals. He did not try to explain any more so I will leave it at that also. As an individual, he denounce the jihad of the radicals, but his Mosque would not.
For the haters out there, I am not making a personal statement. I am repeating what a fellow service members said. His background is that his father, a retired Marine, is a Muslim and his mother was Catholic. He talked (and this is my impression) as though he was having a tough time as a Muslim in America.
For the haters out there, I am not making a personal statement. I am repeating what a fellow service members said. His background is that his father, a retired Marine, is a Muslim and his mother was Catholic. He talked (and this is my impression) as though he was having a tough time as a Muslim in America.
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Until Islam undergoes a massive reformation it will be used by millions as the basis for wishing and doing us harm.
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Candy Alkaabi
GySgt William Hardy - There are many that fear retribution, they see others being murdered for speaking out and are scared that they might get attacked as well, its a division tactic that has been used for thousands of years! As for others speaking out there are massive protests and soldiers popping up all over the middle east from the muslims and others that live there to fight the radicals. My favorite of such groups so far is the one that a 2 time widow that also lost her brothers and father to the daesh rallied up 70 men and is now leading them against the daesh!
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GySgt William Hardy I'm not sure what direction you intended for this discussion to go?
1. Yes. Islam is a legitimate religion dating back to the 7th century.
2. I Accept Islam as a religion Based on historical development of all religions.
3. Yes. It rates protection under the bill of rights.
First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
If you are referring to Extremest using Islam for personal agenda, now that is a different story.
1. Yes. Islam is a legitimate religion dating back to the 7th century.
2. I Accept Islam as a religion Based on historical development of all religions.
3. Yes. It rates protection under the bill of rights.
First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
If you are referring to Extremest using Islam for personal agenda, now that is a different story.
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GySgt William Hardy
Gunny, on an all Marine web site this discussion was going on and the Marines there were almost totally against Islam. While I may agree with what they said, I had to say that it applied to radical Islam and not Islam as a whole. Most of the Marines had been burned one way or another and continue to lump all Muslims in the same group. I have been saying that we have to recognize both sides. Muslims do rate as a religion, but radical Islam is an enemy IMO and is a cult to be watched.
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CWO4 (Join to see)
GySgt William Hardy. Gunz, Im not sure what other site you are referring to (Please send me a link). IMO all groups are going to have their (+-)10% of F-Tards Christianity, Jewdeism, Catholicism, and the rest are not immune either. This is one is tough, I catch myself all the time comparing/combining the two (Islam and Radical F-Tards) and its not right. The bottom line remains that as Americans, as Service Members, and as Human Beings in general we have to separate the two. Again that's IMHO in this case the F-Tards take insanity/brutality to a whole different level that normal people are just not OK with. Because of this F-T minority as a whole the rest of the Muslims majority has to suffer the consequence of mistrust and hate directed their way.
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COL Ted Mc
One of the problems that the troops in Afghanistan faced was that they couldn't separate "being an Afghan" from "being a Muslim".
An overwhelming portion of the Afghan society is "tribal" and ANYONE who doesn't belong to "the tribe" is considered an enemy (or, at least, a potential one) who should be disposed of as soon as possible lest they dispose of someone who IS from "the tribe".
With a certain lessening of the proportion, the same applies to Iraq.
An overwhelming portion of the Afghan society is "tribal" and ANYONE who doesn't belong to "the tribe" is considered an enemy (or, at least, a potential one) who should be disposed of as soon as possible lest they dispose of someone who IS from "the tribe".
With a certain lessening of the proportion, the same applies to Iraq.
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CWO4 (Join to see)
Right, Tribal loyalty grows more as you get closer to the center of the family circle.
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