Posted on Jun 10, 2017
Do you find the term "butter bar" offensive or demeaning?
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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Well said Sir,
In the Navy (At least Submarines because that is what I know), the Senior Ensign is known as the “Bull Ensign” and wears a larger butter bar. The insignia is passed f on to the next “Bull” when he/she makes JG. I have been out for 17 1/2 years, I still work for the Navy with Submarines and recently say an Officer with Bull Bars so the tradition still stands.
In the Navy (At least Submarines because that is what I know), the Senior Ensign is known as the “Bull Ensign” and wears a larger butter bar. The insignia is passed f on to the next “Bull” when he/she makes JG. I have been out for 17 1/2 years, I still work for the Navy with Submarines and recently say an Officer with Bull Bars so the tradition still stands.
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We have names for every profession in the military, in my 24 years of active service,I’ve served with many great butter bars as well as some not so great. An effective leader needs to be able to laugh at their self, as another comment said leaders lead by earning respect.
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Just nicknames. No harm, no foul. If you gonna be in a branch of service then you better get used to the names. If they offend you, well then put your big boy/big girl pants on and deal with it.
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I had it explained to me by a 1SG a few years back so here goes. . .
A Lieutenant is a rank
A 0-1 or 0-2 is also a Lieutenant but refers to there pay grade
A PL is a platoon leader referring to a position not a Lieutenant or an 0-1 or 0-2
An LT is an abbreviation which doesn’t pay proper respect for the bearer of the rank
A butter bar is bought at the grocery store now go find me Lieutenant “insert name” and he is a Lieutenant to anyone he out ranks until he becomes a captain.
A Lieutenant is a rank
A 0-1 or 0-2 is also a Lieutenant but refers to there pay grade
A PL is a platoon leader referring to a position not a Lieutenant or an 0-1 or 0-2
An LT is an abbreviation which doesn’t pay proper respect for the bearer of the rank
A butter bar is bought at the grocery store now go find me Lieutenant “insert name” and he is a Lieutenant to anyone he out ranks until he becomes a captain.
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Again in terms of professional reference I get it but I agree it is a term of endearment during a right of passage for young officers
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If an Enlisted soldier says it in public, I would say, it is being disrespectful to the Officer and his rank. Besides, you do not want to burn bridges...that "butterbar" might be your next Company Commander!...I've seen it happen!
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