Posted on Jun 10, 2017
Do you find the term "butter bar" offensive or demeaning?
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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As an aside, when I was in Kenya as a soldier (2011-2012) the Kenyans called me a MZUNGU. It's a perjorative. (It's mostly directed at the British.) My response was: "And my President is your Cousin"... Which tended to cause the Kenyans to apologise. So, own the term. Eventually, you'll move on from being a Chairforce butterbar, or anything else that one throws on you.
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The Rite of Passage is having the honor, fidelity, an demonstrated patriotism to stop retelling the U.S. military Heliocentric Model 4th Reich neo Nazi Sonnenkinder (Children of Sol) treason and violation of legitimate Nuremberg Trial verdicts. The Black Sun, Vrile, VT-SS, SA original Nazi's were bad enough without neo-Nazi U.S. help.
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As I've stated before - it all depends on the circumstance and delivery of the remark.
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Under no circumstance should an O1 be addressed as butterbar by anyone. Sir is the way to address any officer and O2 and above address an O1 by rank or other traditional term.(I understand the first name thing)
Butterbar is Mil slang, I would look at is similar to calling an NCO Sarge.
Butterbar is Mil slang, I would look at is similar to calling an NCO Sarge.
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I remember one of my sergeants told an LT he spent more time in the latrine than the LT had in service. I thought the LT was going to start crying because everybody was laughing.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SSG George, I disagree. When I was in, and training a new LT, I would refer to him as "butterbar" when his actions dictated it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the term, and letting him/her know they are having a "butterbar" moment usually makes them reassess their thinking and actions. As for the term "Sarge" or "buck Sergeant" again it depends on the situation, My experience is troops call you "Sarge" when they are comfortable, have trust, and believe in your ability to lead them, they call you "Buck" when you go on petty rants trying to establish your authority like a dictator.
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IMO, from some of these responses, sounds like a few never got a spanking as a child
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I got enough to cover everybody on this thread. I had an angry WWII tyrant officer for a father. Spankings were a sport for him. They need to bring it back for the spoiled brats who are enlisting now and having tantrums when they are so stressed out. A good ass whipping will cure stress.
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It all depends on the tone and circumstances. My father was a WWII dogface. His brother and cousins were flyboys. Following my squid/bubblehead days, I became a cop. I have numerous jarhead and airdale relatives. All of those terms could be complimentary, affectionate, or pejorative depending on tone and circumstances.
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