Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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SFC Robert Walton
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Much like most Soldiers that ever served I Do not find much offensive if used in the right context however is someone is just trying to disrespect another Soldier then although not offensive to me personally. I think I would have to take steps to correct the situation.

I was told by a Soldier once he punched a BG. in the face for having a broken boot lace. I pulled the Soldier to the side and ask for the BG's Name and unit. SM inquired why? I told him I was going to talk to the BG and ask why your still not in Confinement?
Disrespect if allowed can ruin a unit.
I often call most LT's by Lt and there name. No one complained except a Butter Bar who liked to address me as Sarge guess you can understand that a conversation ensued on Respect and disrespect.
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CPT Don Kemp
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If that's the worst you get called as a 2nd LT, I'd say you are doing pretty well.
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
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"Disrespectful", "demeaning"? I don't know who was doing the scolding, but my first thoughts are that whomever it was may simply have felt these JO's hadn't quite earned the right to call themselves "butterbars" yet :)
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SSgt Daniel d'Errico
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If you use that term to an officer's face it can lead you to either a sever ass munching or Article 15 for disrespecting an officer.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
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YES! If you go calling me a butter bar I will be deeply offended. After all, my parents were married to each other and I worked for a living.
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SPC James Lunn
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Lol. In my Guard years we would also refer to the R.O.T.C. Cadets as " spot".
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1SG Michael Farrell
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I agree completely with SSG Tom Livingston. I knew a lot of buddies who were convinced that being called Top was a dreadful insult...Oh, come on. It comes from "Top Soldier..." which goes back in history to the Roman "Primus Pilum" or First Spear for the number 1 Centurion in a Legion. Given what I know of soldiers, and history, and Latin, the Spear part of that would have resulted in an infinite number of sexually degrading insults and nicknames. Which would have been responded to by the Primus Pilum with the same response as probably that I gave to Top. Which was usually, "Having fun yet? You're leading PT tomorrow...I feel like a road march, what do you feel like?" It's part of a game, a bonding exercise, a leveling exercise and an affirmation of camaraderie and family. Post Army, I have had a number of Marine and Navy friends who make a point of the Doggie-Squid- Jarhead thing, and I found it heart wrenching when my dad died to get a sympathy card from a Jarhead-Squid couple who hoped my own Squid Dad was finally reconciled to his son being a doggie. I guess he was. Never told me to go be a submarine sailor or a frogman. I'm just grateful that other people do that so I didn't have to...
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No. It never offended me. I went to college and completed training for that "rank". I was proud of it. Granted generally I was called L..T or LT by my enlisted and that never bothered me. I really only had one issue with an enlisted having an issue with my rank and it was a reserve SSgt when I was active duty...I said the rank does not denote experience but responsibility. If we fuck up you get an article 15 and I get prison...different expectations different rank.
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Abe Dean
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Honestly, I'd be trying to come up and top it with new ones that play on that particular foodstuff. Like some Fabio meme that says I Can't Believe It You Made It Through OCS, or something in that particular idiom.
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LTC Gary Earls
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No. When I made 1LT, I was amazed at the respect I got. :-)
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