Posted on Jun 10, 2017
Do you find the term "butter bar" offensive or demeaning?
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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As with all potentially offensive terms, or its not the word itself that is the problem but the intent behind it. If you are using the word in a derogatory manner, then it is disrespectful and offensive. Otherwise, no.
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LTs are high ranking privates typically and even though we give them grief many times they become truly inspirational leaders. Terms of endearment come in many forms and if you don’t see through them you’re in the wrong profession.
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Of course it is offensive, it is supposed to be. It is a Derogatory Stereotype used to motivate young LTs to do well. It is also used to anesthetize young officer, give them thicker skins. The humor is dark and so the world turns. If you can't take "survive" a simple negative statement then what are you going to do when somebody starts shooting at you.
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I had a 1LT tell me and my dispatcher that the address "Lieutenant" was disrespectful, and we were to refer to him as "Sir" in all conversations. I was a senior SFC at the time, and asked politely if I could speak to his Commander. I addressed the conversation with his Commander, and never had a problem out of that particular LT again.
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IMO the 2LT needs to relax. Self-depreciating humor is everywhere in this organization, from E-4 Mafia to Mosquito Wings. It helps take the edge off things. Besides we all have all encountered someone in our inner circle with a name; it’s just in-house jabs that amount to nothing serious. Your part of the family. Wear it with pride and be the best damn Butter Bar you can be! See? That wasn’t so bad now was it?
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If Butter bar is offensive your not the person to be leading troops. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice.
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I had a new butter-bar come into my company straight out of USMA. He said they learned at West Point that if anyone called them "butter-bar" and even "El Tee" they should lick them up and deliver an ass chewing. Luckily for him, I let him know that if he did that, the next thing he'd be called would be far worse than either of those terms. And deserve it.
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In the Army 8 years, 2-12 month deployments, and then a successful civilian career for 6 years in project management before coming in as a 2LT at the age of 36. Cpt xx or Maj xx calls me a butter bar? all good... Fresh face 2LT, private, specialist call me a butter bar?... get out of my face... also the way the term is delivered matters...
I once had a 1LT say “your just a bunch of stupid buttter bars who don’t know anything”... let me stop you right there sonny...
as is everything in the Army, context and delivery letter a lot
I once had a 1LT say “your just a bunch of stupid buttter bars who don’t know anything”... let me stop you right there sonny...
as is everything in the Army, context and delivery letter a lot
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