Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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Susan Lantz
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Never heard it.
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PV2 Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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No, I feel it is just slang as is calling a pvt a fuzzy
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HN Caroline Holsapple
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I think it's disrespectful for enlisted to use it...not so much other officers...they've earned the right.
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1LT Chaplain Candidate
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Nope...not at all. Take it with a grain.
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2LT Platoon Leader/Mco/Bmo
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I'd rather be a butterbar than a leg! Jk naa I don't care. I care about getting the mission done.
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PO1 Cassiopeia Goldenstein
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In 1997 I was a Lance Corporal with one deployment under my belt (I thought I was salty, LOL), I was in my early 20s, and stationed at Twentynine Palms, standing in line at the ATM on base.
I saw that the Marine ahead of me was a 2nd Lt, so I saluted, and when he turned around to return the salute, he grinned at me. Here was a freckle faced ginger kid with BRACES. I realized I was saluting a young adult barely out of school. I was saluting a kid.

Later on when I joined the Navy,
My division officer was usually an Ensign, but thankfully they weren't ring knockers (academy graduates), so they knew enough to know they don't know anything. That's where SNCOs come in. Your O1 needs an E6 or E7 to teach her the ropes.
"Butter-bar" may indeed have been meant as a derogatory term, but it's innocuous enough, even the O-1s are using it. But for military discipline to work, there has to be respect for the rank.
No, I don't think O-1 grade officers should refer to themselves as "butter-bar", that encourages subordinates to use it to refer to them as such in their presence, and THAT is DISRESPECT.
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LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr.
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What’s the difference between a 2nd Lt. and a PFC??? The PFC has been promoted once!!!
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CPT Agr Operations Officer
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Next thing ya know the E4 Mafia will be outlawed because it sounds to menacing...A lot of butter bars come in with an over inflated ego. My personal favorite was a butter bar that tried to have an E6 fill out his leave papers for him and tried to have the E6 carry the butter bars luggage from the truck to the room.
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MSgt John Millaway
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In my prior life ...In 1987, I arrived to my first Army duty station (I was Infantry then). I was processes in along with with my new platoon leader , a Butter Bar. We walked into the platoon CP, and the LT put his manuals, and bag on the first empty desk he saw. The platoon sergeant Stood up and threw the manuals out of the window. He introduced himself, and his squad leaders. The SFC then told the the LT that he would be following the squad leaders in the bush for a week, and if at the end of the week, he was proficient, he could claim a desk...and the platoon. When the LT protested, the 1SG appeared in the doorway, and that was that. The LT learned to lead, then he was no longer called “Butter Bar”. Different Army back then, but to me it is the natural way of things.
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SSG Patrick Williams
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When I was a E5 it didn't move me to be called buck SGT. I was a young buck, learning to lead. Suck it up butter bar.
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