Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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MAJ Lee Goehl
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Being prior enlisted I hated FNG alot more. lol
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CMSgt Budget Analyst
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Too much damn sensitive is all I can say...I am concerned for the military future...
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SPC Steven Nihipali
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damn butter bars... again, if you're offended by the stupid shit in this world, you're the reason why we can't get shit done in Iraq or Afghanistan... because you're too worried about what tribal leaders are going to call you instead of beating their ass into submission and telling the tally-wackers where to fuck off.SF guys work hard to change shit, you go in and fuck it all up...
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LTC John Badtone
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Depends on circumstances. I found most enlisted men treat 2LTs with respect. I found that it is often senior officers who make pejorative comments about 2LTs. LTC (Ret), USA
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1SG Cj Grisham
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If anyone has a problem with it, I tell them to suck it up, buttercup. This is a profession of arms, not a profession of feelings. I don't hear privates complaining about "mosquito wings."
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LTC Retired
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Of course it’s offensive. It’s meant to be offensive. They don’t give you a butter bar because you are so enlightened by the commissioning process, it’s because you demonstrated potential to lead as an officer. You pin on your butter bar, attach yourself to a knowledgeable NCO, and go to work. If you can manage to keep your head and learn while counting mess hall silverware and doing a multitude of additional duties, you might just earn enough respect to turn that butter bar silver. Otherwise, it will melt like a little snowflake.
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Capt Donald Menich
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Being called Butterbar or Shavetail is a right of passage all newly minted 2It's have to put up with. How you react will be the basis for your reputation, and what kind of support you will get from your NCOs and enlisted. As a newbie, the only thing you should take seriously is learning your job and your people. What you learned about respecting the rank isn't quite true - you defer to rank, you obey rank, you may even fear it, but respect - that must be earned. And remember, that respect goes both ways.
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CPT Cavalry Officer
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Build a bridge and get over it. It’s the military, not the Boy Scouts! Sorry, was that offensive? When did we go from being professional warriors to professional sissies? We name call in the Army. That’s the nature of the business. We sit around for long periods of time and think up stupid crap, say it, and then move on. I get it. One has earned their golden bar. Now move on. There’s no disrespect in butter bar. It just means you’re part of the team and that’s your current role. Just wait till the bar turns moldy and you’re a 1st LT.
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SPC Rick LaBonte
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Butter Bar, railroad tracks for captain, full bird for senior colonel, it’s mainly a reference to what the insignia resembles-tell me that doesn’t look like a stick of butter on your cap!
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PO1 Chuck Lankford
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Respect is earned and not given!! If an officer or senior enlisted believes every person respects them because of their position they are delusional!! A good leader gets respect by the way they lead not how they push. Ever tried to push a chain??
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