Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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Lt Col Control and Recovery
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I accidentally clicked the disrespectful button....so you can drop one off of that column.
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CPL Brad Greene
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Depends upon the context of use. In the line of duty it's disrespectful.
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SFC Telecommunications Operations Chief
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Fuzzy, buck sergeant,...
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It helped me grow a pair. When i was a new 2LT I needed a crusty E7 to keep me in check. You will hate it when it happens, and some 2LTs will become attrition statistics, but the rest of you will become like family with them. Look back and appreciate the guidance they gave you for success. This is not the Coast Guard, Air Force, or Navy; the experiences of NCOs are the backbone of the Army. I stand at the back of the chow line and feel honored to do so~ they are the muscle that storms the machine-gun bunker so they need the best calories. Baseball-sized strawberries, crab legs, and white-gloved Enlisted waiters (in "separate" dining areas) are for officers of THE OTHER branches. AND THEY WERE NEVER called butterbars. Butterbar is an honor. I had the priviledge of a few great ones; they were not egotistical and still managed to lead some great feats. I admit, it is a confusing balance for a new officer, but it matures you as quick as the water from firehose allows.
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So then what do you think is the relationship between the Ensigns and the Chief Petty Officers of the Coast Guard?... And the term "butter bar" was still being used for Coast Guard Ensigns (at the appropriate time and place, of course) as of 2006 when I retired.
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SPC Nanette Porter
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There is all sorts of nicknames for things in the military in all ranks and branches and I don't see what the problem is. you do your job and treat people with respect no matter hew you are everything will work out. Something people have a tendency to forget is that respect is erned not just handed to you or pined on you.
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SPC Michael Williams
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Not really any different than an E1/E2 just out of training being referred to as CHERRY
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LTC Dentist
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Its all a part of the process. Take it with a good attitude and it will be just fine. When I became a 2LT I thought I was hot stuff for a few minutes and then realized I wasn't; I was once again the bottom rung. You have a TON to learn and good NCOs and other officers will help you get there.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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And for some reason "wobbly one" didn't make the cut. I look at it from the perspective of being an honor to have been referred to as a wobbly one. Maybe because I had to go through years (actually almost 2 decades to get to be pinned) You have a commission form the President of the United States, and you are griping about a term that has been used for how many generations. Sorry LT it is a temporary thing, would you perhaps refer to some things I Have heard other officers refer to 2LT's as something to the effect of "@$%^@ butter bar?"
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Did you read the whole question? Where exactly in my question did I gripe? I simply pointed out that more senior officers seem to abhor the term. In a couple of months I trade in the butter bar for a chocolate bar anyhow. I was enlisted for almost 15 years myself and I'm a decade older than most of fellow O-2s so I'm not exactly some bushy tailed boot who gets his panties in a wad at every perceived slight. Here's the way I see it. Even if someone does use it as an insult there's no skin off my back.
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SSG Psychological Operations Specialist
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Depends on the context. I don't think it's intended to be disrespectful most of the time, though.
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PVT Jay Settell
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I see it as a right of passage for the 90 day wonders of ocs kinda like tying the new Lt to the guntube of my tank after his first gunnery
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