Posted on Mar 28, 2016
Do you think civil unrest is going to get worse in America?
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After reading this article. It makes me ponder of what our future holds. What do you think about this article ? http://www.businessinsider.com/harry-dent-civil-unrest-coming-to-america-2016-3
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell Absolutely ... It will continuously get worse until we have an Administration in place that stop it, rather than stoking/supporting it, as the current Administration is doing. The Obama Administration's divisive policies and rhetoric, catering to groups like Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, the LGBT crowd, and unlawful protestors in Ferguson, Boston and other places, as well as the anti-Trump protests/unlawful behavior, tend to encourage, not discourage the behavior. If it does not stop, we will soon see the same type actions from the "other side" of these issues (conservative, straight, etc.), who have had enough of the BS.
By the way ... your town was named after my great, great uncle, who also founded Baylor University.
By the way ... your town was named after my great, great uncle, who also founded Baylor University.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
CPT L S I have thick skin. I just don't have any patience for BS or people who purposely attempt to create a hostile environment. One can state an opposing view without being an asshole about it. It is obvious that MAJ W S-H is an agitator who looks for a fight to pick with someone on-line, where he can do so with little concern for getting his ass kicked, except in a verbal sense. While it may be easier to just ignore his idiotic BS, I will not give him the satisfaction of thinking he has won the debate. The fact is that, after all is said and done, he will not change my mind, nor will I change his, so it all is really just an exercise in futility.
As for you, you have generally been pretty even keel/level-headed about these discussions, even if folks disagreed with you, however, you, too, have started becoming somewhat of a troll/jerk by making personal attacks on people you disagree with. I think you need to reassess how you respond. Your opinion is every much as important as mine or anybody else's. However, that does not necessarily mean that you are correct or that anybody who disagrees with you is wrong. It just means that there are different opinions about things and adults should be able to discuss them without personal attacks. Understand asshole?? (That was a joke) :-) Seriously... debate is good, but personal attacks accomplish nothing and shows the immaturity of the attacker.
As for you, you have generally been pretty even keel/level-headed about these discussions, even if folks disagreed with you, however, you, too, have started becoming somewhat of a troll/jerk by making personal attacks on people you disagree with. I think you need to reassess how you respond. Your opinion is every much as important as mine or anybody else's. However, that does not necessarily mean that you are correct or that anybody who disagrees with you is wrong. It just means that there are different opinions about things and adults should be able to discuss them without personal attacks. Understand asshole?? (That was a joke) :-) Seriously... debate is good, but personal attacks accomplish nothing and shows the immaturity of the attacker.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
CPT L S - I see no humor in MAJ W S-H's posts... only ridicule and personal attacks. As far as being "smarter and more well-informed" than those who disagree with him, that is certainly in the eye of the beholder. If he truly believes the crap he spews, I think he is a lot less intelligent than the vast majority of the people he slings his crap at. But, like I said, that is only my opinion (which happens to be right).. :-)
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SSG Jason Turner
CPT L S - There is a reason that the constitution comes 1st in the oath. If the officers appointed above me give lawful orders that don't go against what our constitution stands for then yes, I will do everything possible to carry out those orders, but I don't care if Gen Odierno himself gives me the order, if it's unlawful I won't carry it out.
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SSG Jason Turner
CPT L S - Sir I don't run around in a tin foil hat but history has showed time and time again that those in power want to stay in power, that's not an opinion Sir. It's 100% true and factual. I'm not saying President Obama specifically, but why do you think we have career politicians? Being a senator or a congressman gives you both power and wealth. Power not as an individual perhaps, but they have the power to sneak in little tidbit into a 1500 page bill that no one will ever read that is beneficial to some corporation and in return that corporation puts money in someone else's hand to vote yes on that bill. When you speak of taking up arms against your government Sir you are absolutely correct that it is treasonous, however using your power to better the lives of the already rich and powerful while simultaneously destroying the lives of the common people is tyranny. Dividing us against each other by playing into the race and gender wars, turning it all into a big game show in order to boost ratings of the network that endorsed you or gain votes in the next election is tyranny. Where would our great nation be without treason? We were born out of treason. I certainly don't condone treason Sir but remember that is how our nation came to be.
One last thought I meant to put in there and missed, if you want power over people the best way to do it is to divide and disarm. If you don't believe me Sir check the history books. And if you think we as a race are beyond that then I would like to point out that disregarding history anod past consequences is precisely why history will always repeat itself. Humans are never and will never be above or beyond any of the atrocities that have happened through out history.
One last thought I meant to put in there and missed, if you want power over people the best way to do it is to divide and disarm. If you don't believe me Sir check the history books. And if you think we as a race are beyond that then I would like to point out that disregarding history anod past consequences is precisely why history will always repeat itself. Humans are never and will never be above or beyond any of the atrocities that have happened through out history.
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Perhaps one more reason we military members should set example by showing respect and civility to those we disagree with when we post on RP.
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But is there REALLY civil unrest, or mere pockets of agitators who make it their purpose to get on the evening news.....?
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
Very interesting point that you make LTC Paul Labrador . Maybe they want to be a reality star.. Lets just hope they don't instigate something far worst. Thanks for sharing.
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CPT Pedro Meza
The USA is a very large country and the news media selects news from small areas that have news that sells their paper/channel. It makes money so they scour the US for money making reporting news.
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" I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." Thomas Jefferson
A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
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CPT Pedro Meza
Sounds more like another Y2K, because depending on what channel you watch the report is different. I prefer the Naked News by the Russian ladies because they have nothing to hide.
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PO3 (Join to see)
CPT Pedro Meza - I wish you are right. Trump and Sanders ride on the same anger that currently rioting in EU, think either one of them can control that anger when they are in-charge?
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Personally I think we will have civil unrest much like we had in the late 60's and early 70's. I lived and served during those turbulent times. In fact "Kent State" happened the year I graduated from high school and that event drove a wedge between my father and I that was only removed after I had served a couple of years.
Then and now, at the heart of any civil unrest or outright rebellion is weak (and often times unethical) national leadership with both those of us on the "left" or "right" feeling disenchanted and disenfranchised by our elected officials in Washington DC. When you add a president who would rather be a "divider in chief" than being a uniter the whole mix will be explosive and we will see a breakdown of our civic and governmental institutions.
History seems to show that we have cycles of unrest starting from our own Revolutionary War and our break from "mother" England. Every 20 to 40 years we as a nation seem to have to go through a period there has to be a rebalancing of political parties, national social change and economic crisis. I think we are entering such a period if only because our federal government has become too big and uncontrollable.
Particularly in my darker moods, I think this is what Obama wants things to get out of hand so he can declare martial law and suspend the election process. Those who hold a conspiracy perspective or theory point to some of his actions, un and extra constitutional executive orders, ever increasing list of scandals and public statements as building up to that end state. Meanwhile, the GOP congress seems to be enabling Obama by giving everything he wants instead of drafting articles of impeachment.
Recent attacks on the 2nd Amendment and the growing campaign in the press and administration policy proposals are one more attempt to suppress our rights and national spirit. To many the push for gun control is really a push to control the American public. We seem to forget that this is a government of "We the People"....or as Abe Lincoln said, ours is "a government for the people, by the people and of the people...." The trouble is we have Senators and Congressmen who are "career politicians" and out of touch with their constituents.
So do I think we are headed for a period of civil unrest. Without a doubt.
Then and now, at the heart of any civil unrest or outright rebellion is weak (and often times unethical) national leadership with both those of us on the "left" or "right" feeling disenchanted and disenfranchised by our elected officials in Washington DC. When you add a president who would rather be a "divider in chief" than being a uniter the whole mix will be explosive and we will see a breakdown of our civic and governmental institutions.
History seems to show that we have cycles of unrest starting from our own Revolutionary War and our break from "mother" England. Every 20 to 40 years we as a nation seem to have to go through a period there has to be a rebalancing of political parties, national social change and economic crisis. I think we are entering such a period if only because our federal government has become too big and uncontrollable.
Particularly in my darker moods, I think this is what Obama wants things to get out of hand so he can declare martial law and suspend the election process. Those who hold a conspiracy perspective or theory point to some of his actions, un and extra constitutional executive orders, ever increasing list of scandals and public statements as building up to that end state. Meanwhile, the GOP congress seems to be enabling Obama by giving everything he wants instead of drafting articles of impeachment.
Recent attacks on the 2nd Amendment and the growing campaign in the press and administration policy proposals are one more attempt to suppress our rights and national spirit. To many the push for gun control is really a push to control the American public. We seem to forget that this is a government of "We the People"....or as Abe Lincoln said, ours is "a government for the people, by the people and of the people...." The trouble is we have Senators and Congressmen who are "career politicians" and out of touch with their constituents.
So do I think we are headed for a period of civil unrest. Without a doubt.
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CPT Pedro Meza
LTC Thomas Tennant - Rafael Edward Cruz, only serves himself, he knows that his birth in Canada disqualifies him, and that he further divides the GOP, he should had supported a better candidate. Look at his background from high school.
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SFC Marcus Belt
CPT (Servicemember) - HRC is a "good person"....right. More capable? No argument. Good person? There are no metrics that can be applied to HRC that would qualify her as a "good person, unless we are simply stating that her metabolic functions are good and working properly. By that standard, yes, she is a "good" person.
This discussion has taken a turn for the surreal.
Late.
This discussion has taken a turn for the surreal.
Late.
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SFC Marcus Belt
CPT (Servicemember) - And you would have been even more incorrect.
The Clinton political machine is, as all political machines are, concerned only with self-enrichment and the preservation and extension of political power. Or have we forgotten the sweet consulting deals she worked for former President Clinton? Has most probably lied and will continue to lie on Benghazi? All the while growing richer by the second?
How exactly did she stand up for me again? A black dude, who grew up in public housing?
Your name calling betrays your myopia because you clearly cannot see that there are people of all colors and persuasions who have legitimate grievances against the "same ol' same ol'" establishment politics that HRC has become expert at working to her own advantage.
Good day sir.
The Clinton political machine is, as all political machines are, concerned only with self-enrichment and the preservation and extension of political power. Or have we forgotten the sweet consulting deals she worked for former President Clinton? Has most probably lied and will continue to lie on Benghazi? All the while growing richer by the second?
How exactly did she stand up for me again? A black dude, who grew up in public housing?
Your name calling betrays your myopia because you clearly cannot see that there are people of all colors and persuasions who have legitimate grievances against the "same ol' same ol'" establishment politics that HRC has become expert at working to her own advantage.
Good day sir.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
Maj Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs - I just reread you comment. As a self declared patriot, I would have no problem shooting back. But this discussion is more about if we think civil unrest and violence will be a possibility during this election cycle. I think it is if only because the Obama Administration's encouragement and out right lawlessness. Never in the history of this country has there been an individual who so discredited the office of the President and basically abused its powers. And there might come a time where good men will have to act upon their conscious. My concern is there will not be enough good men in the right positions to stave off the social collapse being engineered by Obama and his minions. I see this playing out much like Germany in the 1930's....good men can not and should not remain silent.
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Nah. The sky has been falling in this country since the 1700's. We'll be fine...
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Self Full Filling Prophecy, if you think or fear that we will have civil unrest then it will happen more so when you buy the news from those that are pushing for civil arrest just because they have an issue with change.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
The media, social and news is a great tool for propaganda. If that's what one believes. Believe nothing one reads and only half of what one see's.. Thanks for sharing CPT Pedro Meza
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CPT Pedro Meza
SGT John " Mac " McConnell - The media reports both left and right, and people choose the media that represents their belief system, so that put the responsibility on each individual to make better choices; after all it all about making money.
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CPT Pedro Meza
SGT John " Mac " McConnell - Both sides of the media peddle their stuff only for the profits, because they know that controversy sells. Funny to think the media is using the Enquirer tactics, minus UFO's.
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Civil unrest has always been a problem. Social media has just brought more light into it.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
You are right SrA Edward Vong It is really amplified by social media. To be able to come together quick, sometimes by not good intentions..
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SrA Edward Vong
SGT John " Mac " McConnell
The problem is that there is false information being shown from both sides, as well as the ugly from both sides. No side is perfect and that is what's unfortunately causing separation.
The problem is that there is false information being shown from both sides, as well as the ugly from both sides. No side is perfect and that is what's unfortunately causing separation.
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
Separation has always been here in the US. Cultural difference's alone causes separation of people. We are nation of such a diverse culture. That truly makes America great if we just all stand together ! But not everyone have same morals or beliefs. freedom of choice... The ole saying goes . One chooses his own path of destiny. Thanks for sharing SrA Edward Vong
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Left/right, Progressive/Conservative, Democrat/Republican... The names change and evolve but the core difference remains constant: The Collectivists vs. The ...
Will it be as bad as Civil Rights and anti-war protests of the 1960's? I hope not. I missed it then and hope to miss it again. (I was in the Army and deployed to Vietnam, then Hawaii, during the worst of it) However, if the agitators keep on agitating, it might get bad, really bad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEPSjOBzRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEPSjOBzRA
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SGT John " Mac " McConnell
Very eye opening video CPT Jack Durish . I am with you on this . I hope it doesn't happen. But I feel the climate of opinions is going to be a huge clash. Thanks for the video and history.
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CPT Jack Durish
SGT Efaw (Mick) G. - Wonderful rant. "...those agitators like Dr King..." "...many consider a waste of resources and unnecessary sacrifices." Who the hell are you arguing with? Not me. Not Bill Whittle. We didn't call Dr King an agitator. Not even close. And yes, many felt the Vietnam War was a waste of resources, etc. Then again, many didn't. Again, what does that have to do with anything in the current context? Please try to stay on subject. The point is that people who are assembling peacefully at political rallies are being called fascists while those who violently attempt to disrupt those rallies are calling themselves anti-fascists when, in fact, their behavior more closely resembles the behavior of the Nazi Brownshirts and the Italian Fascistas. And no one is arguing that vehement dissent is not treason, but when it interferes with others exercising their lawful rights, it is illegal. All who use civil disobedience as a form of political protest must expect to suffer the consequences of their actions. And this brings us to the crux of the matter. Freedom entails responsibility. Yes, we are all free to do whatever we want but must accept responsibility for those actions. Dr King was an excellent example of this very principle, a point you would realize had you living in his time or taken the time to learn the lessons he taught.
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CPT Jack Durish
SGT Efaw (Mick) G. - I am currently reading the 5th in an 8 volume biography of Winston Churchill. I am astounded that he survived the frustration of trying to warn people and have them prepare for the coming WWII. Even after the war began, he had to wait several months before England finally handed him the reins of government and he spent the first two years holding off a Nazi invasion while attempting to build an adequate military. The whole mess could have been avoided had England and its allies simply stood up to Hitler in the beginning. But they didn't.
I don't think that Trump is Churchill, not by a long shot. However, he is voicing the frustration many are feeling with today's appeasers. Sadly, if handed the reins of govt, I don't think he will do much good. However, I'm not yet sure that it would help to hand them to any other candidate who wants to continue the appeasement process.
Most importantly, speech is no excuse for the rioting. I have read of a cop who went undercover at a Trump rally to see what was going on and felt in danger from those who had gathered in opposition.
As for Dr King, he was the victim of discrimination, pure and simple. The FBI led by a tyrant fabricated all manner of fake evidence accusing him of being a communist, etc. Interestingly, he wasn't the one who inspired the race riots. He led marches and demonstrations of civil disobedience against discriminatory laws. The race riots began after his murder.
Today's rioting is being incited by a few entitled radicals and billionaires who believe that they know what is best for us. They have anointed themselves as anti-fascists even though there is no evidence that there is a fascists to be fought. They are merely creating a crisis so they can lead the charge against it. As Churchill said "Fascists of the future will call themselves 'anti-Fascists'". Today is that future.
I don't think that Trump is Churchill, not by a long shot. However, he is voicing the frustration many are feeling with today's appeasers. Sadly, if handed the reins of govt, I don't think he will do much good. However, I'm not yet sure that it would help to hand them to any other candidate who wants to continue the appeasement process.
Most importantly, speech is no excuse for the rioting. I have read of a cop who went undercover at a Trump rally to see what was going on and felt in danger from those who had gathered in opposition.
As for Dr King, he was the victim of discrimination, pure and simple. The FBI led by a tyrant fabricated all manner of fake evidence accusing him of being a communist, etc. Interestingly, he wasn't the one who inspired the race riots. He led marches and demonstrations of civil disobedience against discriminatory laws. The race riots began after his murder.
Today's rioting is being incited by a few entitled radicals and billionaires who believe that they know what is best for us. They have anointed themselves as anti-fascists even though there is no evidence that there is a fascists to be fought. They are merely creating a crisis so they can lead the charge against it. As Churchill said "Fascists of the future will call themselves 'anti-Fascists'". Today is that future.
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Just an FYI from the Oxford dictionary:
fas·cism
[ˈfaSHˌizəm]
NOUN
1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · [more]
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
fas·cism
[ˈfaSHˌizəm]
NOUN
1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · [more]
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
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