Posted on Oct 5, 2015
Do you think male Soldiers should know the female regulations in AR 670-1 just as much as the female herself?
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SSG Derick Walker
I have to say, as a leader, you should know AR 670-1, when you correct someone about uniform, hair or other things, quote it to them...or at least guide them where to go to look for it..
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At the very least, you'd better be able to find the answer. Memory fails and regulations change, but black and white is black and white.
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TSgt Don Dollinger
Everyone is adding in the word "leader" and it was not part of the question. It simply asked if males should know. The answer is still yes. I have pointed out errors to subordinates, peers, superiors, and others not in my chain of command. Starting with the caveat "are you aware that" to make it non confrontational. Most were thankful as it was something that they were not aware of or something that was overlooked.
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SFC Jason Babb
They publish those regs so they can be referenced. The Army isn't ran on the tradition of oral history. Learn what you can but don't fear looking up a reg. Nobody can memorize it all. Know the basic and obvious, sure, but I don't think it's a knock on someone if they have to consult the regs to answer a specific question.
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SSG Drew Cook - I am guessing you never read the original question, which stated "MALES" very clearly. Good effort at tossing the darts though.
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MSG John Wirts - I agree that both sexes nees to know all the standards. But the question stated male. Semper Fidelis.
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MSG John Wirts
1stSgt (Join to see) - I read the question, I agree with the statement THAT ALL LEADERS that MEANS BOTH MALE AND FEMALE need to know the all the regulations and standards for all of their subordinates. If you don't understand that you need to go back to the days of the Women's Army Corps. Just because the question was not framed to include female leaders, does not mean a correct answer should address only the restricted question unless we go back to a segregated military with the WAC as the exclusive branch for women.
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Ridiculous question....if you are a leader you must know the standards in order to enforce them regardless of your sex....if you plan on being a leader you better know dress and appearance for all solderers and in today's "Joint Service" environment you might want to take a look at the guidelines for any sister service members serving under and with you also.
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This question is not ridiculous at all. I asked simply because on daily bases my male battles buddies ask me if such things are correct on a female because most of them dont know. So it is important if males get more involved in the female portion of the AR 670-1
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Then they need to turn their NCO status in.....Dress and Appearance is a core knowledge item every NCO should know.....just like Drill and Ceremony....but that's another issue.
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1SG Cardell Middleton - Its a ridiculous question because knowing stds is part of being a leader....just like you must know the PT stds you must know the Dress and Appearance, and Drill and Ceremony, and your duty specific stds.....i think its ridiculous in that it is even being asked....why would a leader not need to know dress and appearance ??
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The Uniform regs shouldn't be so complex that everyone doesn't have a basic understanding of them. That said, you will know the parts YOU (as in personally) use daily. If you don't have jump wings, you probably won't know the jump wings measurements off the top of your head. If you don't wear earrings, you are less likely to know them in depth, especially if you are in a unit without females.
That's why there is a reg though. So you can grab it off the shelf if something looks wrong.
In my first unit, there weren't females. Not in the Unit, not in the Camp, not on that side of the Base. I wasn't going to take up brain space memorizing it, unless there was pressing need. When I went to Quantico, I refreshed my memory especially as I had Marines under my direct purview who the regs applied to.
When I got our and was working retail, one of my store associates showed up in a mini-skirt. The assistant manager said "aren't you going to say something?" to which I told him, "in a second" and I grabbed the employee handbook, grabbed the work attire section and sent her home. It wasn't that I didn't know it was there, it was that I wasn't going to get into a pissing contest with her about it, when I could show her in B&W where it was (she was a "problem child").
There's a difference between knowing the regs, and remembering the gist of the regs to make corrections. How many times have there been minor & major modifications to the regs? This isn't a gender issue. It's about knowing the pieces which are most pertinent to your day to day activities.
That's why there is a reg though. So you can grab it off the shelf if something looks wrong.
In my first unit, there weren't females. Not in the Unit, not in the Camp, not on that side of the Base. I wasn't going to take up brain space memorizing it, unless there was pressing need. When I went to Quantico, I refreshed my memory especially as I had Marines under my direct purview who the regs applied to.
When I got our and was working retail, one of my store associates showed up in a mini-skirt. The assistant manager said "aren't you going to say something?" to which I told him, "in a second" and I grabbed the employee handbook, grabbed the work attire section and sent her home. It wasn't that I didn't know it was there, it was that I wasn't going to get into a pissing contest with her about it, when I could show her in B&W where it was (she was a "problem child").
There's a difference between knowing the regs, and remembering the gist of the regs to make corrections. How many times have there been minor & major modifications to the regs? This isn't a gender issue. It's about knowing the pieces which are most pertinent to your day to day activities.
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You cannot hold a soldier to a standard you have not trained them to meet. How can you train a standard you don't know. Every NCO should know Every AR. Cannot pick and choose here.
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SSG Joseph Dowell
Every NCO should know Every AR. Cannot pick and choose here.
I have to disagree with this, unless you have a Photographic memory it would be impossible to memorize every AR, However any good NCO should be able to locate the appropriate reg to the situation.
A good example of this would be this, As a 91C (Practical Nurse) the odds of me being tasked as the NCOIC of a funeral detail were slim to none at all. however I could always look up the information the FM in order to provide the required number of people. The same goes for the AR, As Sgt Kennedy and others have mentioned, we should know the regs that apply to us and our unit, and because most of units are becoming more integrated the need for Female NCO's to know the standard for males and vice versa is becoming a greater necessity.
I have to disagree with this, unless you have a Photographic memory it would be impossible to memorize every AR, However any good NCO should be able to locate the appropriate reg to the situation.
A good example of this would be this, As a 91C (Practical Nurse) the odds of me being tasked as the NCOIC of a funeral detail were slim to none at all. however I could always look up the information the FM in order to provide the required number of people. The same goes for the AR, As Sgt Kennedy and others have mentioned, we should know the regs that apply to us and our unit, and because most of units are becoming more integrated the need for Female NCO's to know the standard for males and vice versa is becoming a greater necessity.
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MSG John Wirts
SSG Joseph Dowell - I agree, in my day one of my responsibilities was to manually update the paper regulations. When I was asked about the regulation, or other documentation, I would quote the latest update to the reg, after checking to be sure there was not another later update. Having the regulations on line is a blessing! I had several territorial account holders who would not allow subordinate units to have their own accounts. This meant that often they did not have necessary documents.
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SSG Joseph Dowell - You are stating that you can look into the FMs for reference, and I agree. Field Manuals tell you how to do a job or task and i cannot expect, nor did i state, that every NCO should be able to do every job in the military, however, the regs are the regs, you MUST know them, you do not have the time to run home check online for the current reg and then return to do an on the spot correction, if you dont know the ARs that regulate your branch of service, you cannot correct violations to those regs.
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Yes. No if, ands, or buts about it... And the same for female Soldiers, Airmen, Seamen or Marines...
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Sgt Ken Prescott
You reminded me of something: one Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant I worked for as a contractor mentioned that the toughest time he ever had was on a Joint assignment--he had to know the uniform regs for all four DoD service components. Freaked out the senior officer (Army Colonel) that someone actually knew all of the service uniform regulations.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
Sgt Ken Prescott I had to do something similar, but it was with medical requirements for flying status: 1/1A, II and III, periodic exams as well as entrance requirements (for DoDMERB's) for all 4 branches of service... I got pretty good at it!
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MGySgt Douglas C.
Sgt Ken Prescott - I did a joint tour as well as a Master Sergeant and I agree. That was the worst part, knowing all of the uniform regulations so that everyone was in proper uniform.
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SFC David Pope, MBA
I did a joint assignment in the Philippines when Mt Pinatubo erupted. I was a SPC TACSAT operator. I hade to know all uniform regs of all four branches and proper rank acknowledgments. To this day I can identify a navy officer by their sleeve stripes. I also had to learn all ranks of all branches of service. I had an Airman First Class that was placed under my supervision, and he was not happy that I knew the regs for his uniform requirements.
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Certainly. How else will a male be able to correct a uniform infraction unless they are aware of the regs. This goes for both genders.
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I believe it is incumbent for every NCO to know the Regulation for male or female Soldiers especially when the male NCO is in charge of female Soldiers..
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If you are in a leadership position, you had better know! It is common sense. Not knowing is not an excuse.
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