Posted on Jun 29, 2016
Do you think NCO leadership is the same as it was 10-15 years ago?
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How about 60 years ago (1950s)...??
NCOs back in the day you were given responsibility for a Squad, Section or Platoon when you were only a teenager & a few months out of high school. But there were excellent NCO Leadership Schools and on the job training with feedback from those who were both above and below your rank level.
I always thought the best NCO rank was an E-4 but was not too happy with the pay. To be an E-4 was a great start to go higher in the enlisted ranks or OCS if one worked hard at honing their leadership skills, communication skills, and MOS expertise. Hard work is often seen by superiors who will then begin to take notice for meritorious promotions or more challenges that help one to grow in their military fields
Anyhow I thought some here may be interested about being an NCO in the '50s..& earning @$1450.00 base pay per year.. But only a few of us cared about our pay scale in those days but I did because I had a used car that kept me broke most of the time.
NCOs back in the day you were given responsibility for a Squad, Section or Platoon when you were only a teenager & a few months out of high school. But there were excellent NCO Leadership Schools and on the job training with feedback from those who were both above and below your rank level.
I always thought the best NCO rank was an E-4 but was not too happy with the pay. To be an E-4 was a great start to go higher in the enlisted ranks or OCS if one worked hard at honing their leadership skills, communication skills, and MOS expertise. Hard work is often seen by superiors who will then begin to take notice for meritorious promotions or more challenges that help one to grow in their military fields
Anyhow I thought some here may be interested about being an NCO in the '50s..& earning @$1450.00 base pay per year.. But only a few of us cared about our pay scale in those days but I did because I had a used car that kept me broke most of the time.
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To much micromanagement /meetings while in garrison. Change how we lead by changing your perspective about what matters.
Over the years I’ve been asked by leaders how to delegate better. People in leadership positions want to manage their people and delegate out tasks, except the difficult ones, letting their teams / people work independently, unless they need help, all while they continue to maintain their personal workload.
Over the years I’ve been asked by leaders how to delegate better. People in leadership positions want to manage their people and delegate out tasks, except the difficult ones, letting their teams / people work independently, unless they need help, all while they continue to maintain their personal workload.
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I enlisted in 1966. You ALWAYS respected NCOs. They had earned respect by their rank and it didn't matter if they were good or bad (I worked with and for both). When I became an NCO I told myself to take what I had learned from both type of NCOs and use it to become the leader I wanted my leader to be - firm but fair, understanding and compasionate, but above all the leader they needed. Today, after being retired for 25 years I see many NCOs more concerned with where they are going then who will help them get there. A good supervisor is only as good as the people they lead and if you are not preparing your subordinates to take our place one day, they you are a failure as a leader.
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Anybody who has been in the military over the last ten years would be hard pressed to not agree that NCO leadership has seriously deteriorated over that time. Standards have been ignored blatantly. Everyone here has pointed out the lack of commitment to the military with their delicate feelings. As the First Sergeant of a Regimental Academy it made me sick to see NCOs and soldiers show up unable to meet 600-9 or APFT standards. There were periods of time during which we were unable to drop these soldiers. We were required to pass them with a marginally achieved. I would then see these very same soldiers on promotion lists just a month or two later. This is absolutely unacceptable.
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1SG Henry McDonald
This is only one of many indicators that there is a serious slippage in the quality of BOTH soldiers and leaders. At the same time we did have outstanding soldiers who demonstrated commitment dedication and motivation. My only hope is that these fine soldiers and leaders maintain the standards and push aside the under achievers.
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Not even close the new PC Military makes it hard for NCOs to do their job which is lead and train troops. Even in the leadership schools they are being trained to be PC and not hurt the Soldiers feelings. Hard to gain good leadership skills in that setting. Back in my day the NCO was God not so much anymore.
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No, I really don't know about today, I wonder the same question a long time ago.. As I retired 10 years ago in 2006, and I wonder how the Army leadership was going to go.
Leaders are forged by mentors that have high standards and unwaiverable expectations. As an example the Packers coach Vince Lombardi said, "Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile."
We have all heard Sun Tzu quote, "The More You Sweat in Peace, the Less You Bleed in War." I am sure that this might hurt someone's feelings. And isn't P.C. It used to be the NCOs' job was to do the training and it was the Os' job to be a Training Distractor shield, and to be leading from the front aptitude.
As I was leaving the Army, I was told that I needed to watch how I taught my classes as I might hurt the LTs' feelings and I might scare them. For Crying Out Loud I was a SERE instructor, and my classes were on what to do AFTER they got shot down in a Combat Zone.
When the Kit glove caressed LT get on into their careers their attitudes are no different in the P.C. correctness being expected of the leaders and the airs of entitlement of the Led.
During a firefight Please and Thank you just doesn't make senses
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Tim
Leaders are forged by mentors that have high standards and unwaiverable expectations. As an example the Packers coach Vince Lombardi said, "Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile."
We have all heard Sun Tzu quote, "The More You Sweat in Peace, the Less You Bleed in War." I am sure that this might hurt someone's feelings. And isn't P.C. It used to be the NCOs' job was to do the training and it was the Os' job to be a Training Distractor shield, and to be leading from the front aptitude.
As I was leaving the Army, I was told that I needed to watch how I taught my classes as I might hurt the LTs' feelings and I might scare them. For Crying Out Loud I was a SERE instructor, and my classes were on what to do AFTER they got shot down in a Combat Zone.
When the Kit glove caressed LT get on into their careers their attitudes are no different in the P.C. correctness being expected of the leaders and the airs of entitlement of the Led.
During a firefight Please and Thank you just doesn't make senses
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Tim
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When I retired I had 4 pair of jump boot, 24 pair of uniforms, all ready ready for formation. My troops NEVER saw me a dirty uniform, They saw me OUT of uniform. The NCO'S of today are a MESS their DONOT care about troops image of them. The NCO.s are a mess they need to go back 25 years and tell, the commanders that they run the ARMY. Just tell ME WHAT DONE>>>>>
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Nope! The current political-correctness minefield out there limits and complicates today's NCO and SNCO roles to the point where even leading by example can reflect "conduct unbecoming..." in the eyes of the JAG... To project military discipline and combat experienced opinions then influence traditionally moral behavior on and off duty is now considered harassment; rather than effective leadership.
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No I do not. There are so many programs that allow younger people to advance in the ranks in a quicker time frame. These guys/gals don't learn leadership qualities that fast and it shows. I have nothing against advancement, but the senior leadership needs to recognize that before putting these people into major leadership roles so quick.
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Yeap, it use to be that a soldier had to finish phase one of his/her NCOES before they moved to phase two, today they log-in for phI witch it is on line the if they pass go to phII which they should know by heart since its the MOS just a step higher. My personal opinion is no field FTX, no mission, comboy OPS, MET-T, etc.
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SGM and Master Sergeants don't seem to have the tools or power to train E-7 & E-6s in leadership the way it was when I was in. I retired at 20 years in 1994 and when we were given a mission (as an E-7), task or detail, we had no problem getting it done and the soldiers respected us. Yes they might have griped or complained but they did what they were told to do. That's just the way it was.
According to my cousin who is a Female Capt., there seems to a leadership problem from top to bottom. I don't really know, as I said I retired in 1994. What a shame.
According to my cousin who is a Female Capt., there seems to a leadership problem from top to bottom. I don't really know, as I said I retired in 1994. What a shame.
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I retired last year after serving 39 years 5 month, my 1st shirt was high speed low drag always in top of his NCO's he gave us no slack a great LDR every time he gave us a mission we had the toll and the know how thanks to his leadership, know the unit I used to be is no longer, NCO's dont lead by example, no leadership and the first one to gripe is the NCO's in front of formation,
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