Posted on Jul 29, 2014
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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In a recent Army Times Articel:

Soldiers across the Army say there’s a simple way to better measure an individual’s strength and prepare them for combat — add pullups to the PT test.

“They’re difficult to do, and it’s the kind of thing that can save your life — to be able to pull your own body weight,” said Sgt. Maj. Alfred Todd, a medical official with the California Army National Guard.

Sgt. First Class Daniel Lopez-Bonaglia, a Fort Hood soldier with 4th Sustainment Brigade, said pullups provide a better snapshot of overall fitness compared with the pushup.

“You can fake a pushup, but not a pullup, because your chin has to go to that bar,” said Lopez-Bonaglia, who deployed twice to Iraq. “If you’re overweight, there’s no way you’d be able to do a pullup.”

These soldiers are not alone in their views. Army Times recently asked readers to weigh in on what PT changes they wanted to see. The request received thousands of responses and many endorsed the idea of making pullups a part of the Army Physical Fitness Test.

The current APFT, required of soldiers twice annually, is meant to test their strength, endurance and cardiovascular fitness. Soldiers must complete pushups, situps and a 2-mile run, and receive a score from zero to 100 in each event. A minimum of 60 points for each is required to pass.
Training and Doctrine Command is spearheading a potential overhaul of the test as part of larger efforts toward a gender-neutral Army and more combat jobs for women.

Pullups are likely part of the discussion.
In the World War II and Korean War eras, pullups were part of Army physical fitness tests, according to Army physical fitness scholar Whitfield East’s book on the topic. The pullup was part of discussions to revise the test in the 1980s and in 2010. A requirement that the test be performed with minimal or no equipment was a likely factor in excluding the exercise.

Pullup supporters

William Brechue, director of the Center for Physical Development Excellence at West Point, called the pullup a “good exercise” and said he favors it over the pushup if forced to pick one for the PT test.

The two are complimentary exercises, and both are beneficial in training, he said. The pullup primarily uses the latimus dorsi, or upper back muscles, the rear deltoid to a lesser degree, and the chest and biceps. The pushup is the opposite exercise, primarily using the chest, with the arms, and upper back muscles for stability.

“If I’m climbing a rope or mesh, anything where I’m trying to pull my body up, I’ll be using those pullup muscles, but I’ll be using my pushup muscles as stabilizers,” Brechue said.As a measure of strength, the pullup is more demanding.

“When you’re doing a pullup you’re suspending your whole body weight, and when you do a pushup you only suspend 70 percent of your body weight, which means the pullup is much more strength oriented,” Brechue said.
Brechue acknowledged that women tend to have less upper body strength than men, but it doesn’t mean they cannot do pullups.

“There are plenty of female cadets here who can do 10 pullups,” he said. “If you train them, train them properly, stick with it and train the upper body musculature, you’ll find they’re going to be okay and gain the strength that needs to be gained.”

UFC fighter Sgt. 1st Class Tim Kennedy said that because pullups are part of the Ranger Physical Fitness
Test, the exercise has a certain cache. He favors including pullups in the APFT because the “the shape of the force should change.”
“It’s an athletic muscle movement,” Kennedy, who is in the Texas National Guard, told Army Times by phone, “and they’re supposed to be protecting our freedom and they can’t do one?”

Chief Warrant Officer 2 Jonathan Marsh, a Ranger-turned-Black Hawk pilot said pullups should be required, but only for soldiers in physically demanding jobs.
“Upper body strength is key in light infantry,” Marsh told Army Times by phone, “as far as maneuvering, climbing rocks and obstacles, and carrying battle buddies.”
Support personnel should not be required, he said.
Lopez-Bonaglia, on the other hand, endorsed separate requirements for men and women. Male soldiers would have to perform 10, he said, while women would only have to complete three.

Arlene Lucia, one of the many Facebook supporters for pullups, said the current test is just too easy and pullups would up the ante.
“I’ve never had an issue passing the APFT, and I’m a 44-year-old female soldier with 22 years of service,” she said.

Anti-pullups

Not everyone believes pullups are the right answer.
Lee Kind, an Army captain turned fitness guru, said pullups demonstrate upper body strength and are essential for air assault and parachute missions, carrying heavy gear, throwing grenades and gripping power. But he believes that for the Army, the pushup is superior
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“The pullup is a great exercise, but it would be a terrible PT test event for the regular Army,” said Kind, author of “MAX Out the Army, Navy, Marine, and Air Force Physical Fitness and Combat Fitness Tests.”

Pullups are primarily a muscle-building exercise, he said, whereas pushups combine muscle building with muscular and cardiovascular endurance. Brute strength is important, but every soldier needs sustained endurance, he said.
He listed other drawbacks: Pushups can be performed almost anywhere and anytime while pullups can’t. People can get hurt slipping off the pullup bar or kicking their legs for extra reps, which can cause severe lower back injuries.
A woman’s physiology differs from men, making it more difficult for women to perform pullups, Kind said.

“If you added pullups, the Army would probably get down to less than 100,000 personnel,” a reader, Brandon Ward, said on Facebook.
Another commenter, Matthew McBride, said he did not see a need to change the test for everyone and suggested giving commanders more discretion.
“Let certain units tailor it to their needs; for example, let airborne units add pullups because those types of units need or value that skill,” he said. “We keep trying make a cookie cutter PT test when that isn’t the answer.”
Joe Christenson also suggested leaving well-enough alone.

“Keep pushups because you can do them anywhere and you need no props, no pullup bar,” he said.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS/304150032/The-push-pullups-Why-soldiers-want-added-PT-test
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The potential positives are essentially non-existent and the negatives are quite substantial. There is confusion, it seems, about the purpose of the APFT. The "F" stands for "fitness." We are trying to ensure a minimum level of fitness, not job qualification. If pull-ups are essential to airborne ops, make a separate airborne qualification test and add that to airborne units. That's just an example.

If we are going to weed people out based on something, I would put moral fiber and MOS qualification miles and miles ahead of ratcheting up the APFT standards. The things that went wrong in Iraq/Afghanistan had not one thing to do with APFT standards being too low. It's like the house is on fire and people want to complain that the lawn needs to be mowed. Even if we don't agree whether the lawn needs to be mowed, can we at least agree that if no one puts out the fire, that point won't matter? I hate to see more resources going into this issue.
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SFC(P) Tobias M.
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agree 100%. we need to fix what is broken. I know many people that can't pass a APFT but are my best troops and the unit wants to chapter them out. it makes no since to me at all. The standards are all wrong. when the Army doesn't care if you can't shoot but cares if you can't run 2 mules in a given time we have a big problem.
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MSG Joseph Dutton
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Yes it will not be beneficial to add the event to the APFT. Cross fit and PRT already incorporate pull ups and we do it to maintain fitness. I think they are trying to add to weed people out. IF this is the intent we already have programs / policies in place for that. Another thing yes physical training needs to be implemented and standards set. However it should not be a basis on which we allow our soldiers to be chapter out.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
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Yes because I found pullups to be very challenging & it took me a few weeks of hard work to be able to do 10 & then 20 pullups They really helped to improve upper body strength & were a part of a PT program & I think still are today ..
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PFC Zanie Young
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I'd have to lose weight, but I'd rather have one or the other because by the time you are done with push-ups, your arms will be too sore to do pull-ups anyway. If you had both on one test, you would BOLO for sure!
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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Awesome point.
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PFC Zanie Young and SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL Sorry guys, total disagreement. Not if the PT program was challenging enough during the week! At first yes you would reach your muscle failure point quickly. However, if the programs were challenging and worked those muscles over and over again...you would find you could do both. It's a proven fact. The problem is not the test! Poor PT programs reflect poor PT scores.
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I've done pull ups many times after push ups. Not a big deal if you train.
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Do you think pullups is wise to add to the Army PT test? It's a genuine exercise in my opinion, the way ahead for future PT.
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I do not disagree with adding pull-ups, but i do not believe the APFT is broken, the Weight program is broken, we should fix that and let the dust settle before modifying the APFT.
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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Adding pull-ups for fittness is ok but it should not be added to the APFT.
The weight standard does need fixing! To those who can pass the APFT with a 210 or above i beleive it should not matter what you weigh. I have seen soldiers who have less then 15% body fat on weight control because the way the Army measure they do not comply.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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That explains a lot about why I joined the Navy, Pull-ups and being shot at, not my cup of tea (coffee).
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This is a repost of an earlier comment to a specfic response. I think it covers many responses I've read.
Here goes: The APFT (current or future) is not the problem. Many claim we need to add this event, do away with that event and many say we don't need to change it. Regardless of what the APFT events are (current or future), APFT results are not going to change unitl unit PT programs become serious, challenging programs. Soldiers who are scoring 280 and above are doing so NOT because of "unit PT". These Soldiers are doing so because they are working out on their own time. I see PT formations every morning form up around my work location. I see them stretch, do some exercises, to include push ups and sit ups of course for 15-20 minutes they are off for their run. Unit PT Programs (if you an call that a PT Program) are not imporving the fitness level of Soldiers.

If Soldiers are failing their PT tests it is not only their fault, the unit program is not demanding enough to bring these soldiers up to meeting the minimum standard and thats a leadership failure. However, only the Soldier is held accountable, he gets Flagged, no favorable actions, then put in a special PT program (away from unit PT), and is retested in 90/180 days (which ever it is now). Their leaders are quick to tell them, "you need to work out on your own time to get in shape!" Why is that, We don't expect them to parctice tank gunnery crew drills on their own time for Tank Gunnery.

The problem is not the APFT, its the mindset of the Army leadership from platoon/squad level all the way to Chief of Staff of the Army.

For USR monthly unit reporting, unit reporting was done by how many passed the APFT, how many failed, how many that needed to test, had tested. All individual based, yet its a UNIT monthly report. Why have we never taken every individual PT score/add them up and divide by the number of personnel in the unit and then report the UNIT's APFT AVERAGE. Any unit who's collective score is below 260 for USR, it's time for unit commanders and 1SGs to get some counseling and told to fix it!

You have soldiers failing PT tests, its an organizational leadership failure and an individual failure, both have responsibility. Make your PT program as challenging as those special programs for PT failures and overwieght soldiers. If it requires going longer than 0630-0730, so what. Guess what leaders, your Soldiers out there scoring 280 and above are spending a couple hours of their own time to get that score. You can bet your ass they are not doing stretching, push ups and sit ups only either. They are doing on their own, what their leadership should be providing during their on duty time in tough-demanding-challenging PT Programs! The problem is not the APFT.
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SFC Walter Mack
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Agreed, 1SG. Let's start holding Soldiers accountable for their actions and not be afraid to create some discomfort in ourselves and our Soldiers.
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I understand that soldiers need to be physically fit, but doesn't adrenaline make even the most unfit person do crazy things? It was mentioned that pulling yourself up could save a your life. So I would think if I was in a situation, where it was life or death, my adrenaline would be kicking in, and I would have no problem doing what I needed to do! I'm not saying yes or no to pullups, just stating my thoughts on that one comment. We haven't had pullups in a PT test, and people have been able to save not only thier own lives, but lives as others.
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SSG (Join to see) Adrenaline can make you do more than what you're usually capable of....however, adrenaline causes muscles to burn oxygen at a very high rate and you reach muscle burnout much quicker and then lose endurance capability as well. In the hypothetical situation you wrote, you would have more problems by not being able to "continue the mission".
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SFC Walter Mack
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The question is, what do you do after you pull yourself up? If you're dealing with gunfire or someone trying to abduct you, it's best if fitness at least gives you an edge. Whether or not you train technique will also have an effect, but both take time and effort.
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SPC Richard White
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I don't see why not back in my day we were required to do pull ups for high school physical fitness.Girls did the one arm hang.That was in Army JROTC
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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great point
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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It sounds like to me that you want to go back to the 6 event PT test back in the 70s. We did not have to do pull ups but had the horizontal bars. Inverted crawl run dodge n jump push ups sit ups n the one mile run all done in combat boots! My vote would be go back to these days
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Let's be honest for a second here. The Army is not going to change the APFT. Millions of dollars were dumped into a "new" PT test and a new PRT program came from it but still no new PT test. It won't happen, so my opinion that pull ups are a better way to test of upper body strength, is irrelevant. But it's also my opinion and shouldn't be misconstrued as an attempt to pass off as a fact.

PRT already includes Pull ups within climbing drills. It is absolutely a genuine exercise but so are mountain climbers. Should we also include mountain climbers in the PT test? What I'm getting at here is this, a good exercise is not enough of a reason to change a PT test that has been effective at measuring a minimum level of fitness.
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Yes pull ups for sure need to be added. The PT test is week. They need to make it alot harder. My 12 year old daughter wanted me to grade her and see of she could do it. She scored a 284 on the men's hardest standard. It is a shame that soldiers out there can't past. We need to start making the army tough. It is way to easy.
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