Posted on Dec 19, 2016
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CPT Jack Durish
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Where's the evidence? Who do you trust? Ultimately I want to know so I can thank them. Without the information the criminal candidate might have been elected. In the past such information would have been reported by journalists, but it's been decades since we saw or heard from one of those.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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SSG Edward Newby - Imagine if no one had exposed the shenanigans of Hillary and the DNC. What then? We'd have the most corrupt criminal politician as President, but hey, that's okay. So long as we remain ignorant. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? I'd prefer if journalists had uncovered the information and revealed it. But, they didn't, did they? In fact, they've been flying cover for Hillary and the DNC. So yeah, I'm overjoyed that the Russians or whomever it was did the job for the American press. I'll thank them for doing it. And it doesn't have a damn thing to do with excusing the GOP for anything. There, is that plain enough for you?
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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SSG Edward Newby - Who is being disrespectful? Not you. I see no disrespect in your postings. I commented as I did only because you responded with a non sequitur that I couldn't make sense of. I then explained myself in "plain" terms and asked if that was "plain enough", that is understandable to you.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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CW3 (Join to see) - Tax returns don't reveal conflicts of interest.
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I 100% agree!! I was absolutely 100% #NeverTrump long before I became #NeverHillary... and it was the leaks that convinced me hell no, the bitch has got to go.
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My issue is what was in the emails and at least in the case of the DNC leak the source has been identified as an insider not the Russians. What about what the emails reveal why are people not up in arms about the content of the emails and all we are hearing is all this static about the Russians.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
SGT Damaso V Santana
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Simple, we are being MANIPULATED BY ADMINISTRATION AND IT'S STATE RUN MEDIA.
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SGT Damaso V Santana - I just hope people remember this and we can find a way to punish the left wing liberal media for what they have done. Then went all out for HC and her lies, crimes, and psychotic episodes. I am so glad she did not get elected but it was close and a cause for concern.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
SGT Damaso V Santana
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LCDR (Join to see) - Goes to show you how Insidious they are. Their control extends deeply in our Educational system with "plants" beginning at Elementary level.
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SGT William Howell
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No. I believe the guy that posted the information. He said it was a DNC insider that did not like the way Sanders was treated. Wiki has never lied about where it has got it's information so why would they start now. This makes me think of the Warren report.

Democrats have to blame somebody and "the Russian did it" is the easiest way to fire people up without actually having to prove it. I think the Russians have show massive amounts of restraint with people throwing rumors around like they are facts. The Russians are not our friends, but they are not the boggie man either.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
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Even if they did, why should we care? From what I've read, all they did was leak a bunch of Hillary's and other Dem scumbags' emails proving how corrupt the Dems are. They didn't fabricate any of the information that was leaked. How is that any different than if I hacked the Dems and leaked the information? So if that tilted the scale in Trump's favor, Hillary and the Dems have no one to blame but themselves. It sounds like they did the American people a favor.
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SPC Douglas Bolton
SPC Douglas Bolton
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I agree Cpl. What if Russia really did hack? You can put sanctions on them like Obama is doing, and in a month Trump will take them away. I think Hillary lost for many other reason than being hacked.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Absolutely not... the idea that Russia somehow influenced the elections because the DNC backed the wrong candidate is ridiculous.
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MSG Brad Sand
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It is their new straw man. The nice thing is that if they keep blaming every shadow, it keeps them from correcting the rot and just speeds their own collapse.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Agreed. I've got friends on both political spectrums and I could not find a single Hillary supporter. All my leftist friends were Bernie backers. When it came out the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie, the majority of them went by the NeverHillary mantra. Some went Trump, some went Johnson.

But it's almost laughable to me when I hear people say the Russians cost Hillary the election. No Hillary cost Hillary the election because she was an abysmal candidate.

Putin didn't swing the election in Trump's favor. The media and the politicians swung the election in Trump's favor. Hell, I wasn't even a Trump fan, but I was so sick of defending a candidate that I wasn't supporting.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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IMV, the so called hacking goes on all the time for a variety of reasons. It doesn't have to be a government element, many do it for a challenge, profit or strategic purposes. Surely we aren't naive enough to think the NSA and our cyber security groups aren't looking to exploit breaches in security. The only thing that has changed is the Democrats are butt hurt about losing. If false information was generated and distributed by WIKILEAKS, there would be a case, but what was released was actual people plotting to manipulate the election. GET OVER IT.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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SFC Pete Kain - Love it here, freedom of speech not available on the other one.
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SGT William Howell
SGT William Howell
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Not one piece of physical evidence to support a "hack" by the Russians. Don't tell me the Russians hacked in. SHOW ME! We have upended our entire country by this accusation I think that the people need to see the evidence...if there actually is any and I am pretty sure there is not.
I can see America in 5 years blaming the Russians on everything. "Honey look both ways before crossing the street or the Russians will get you." "I can't make my car payment this month, the Russians hacked my bank account and spent all my money on porn sites and beer." "My wife left me for a Russian."
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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SGT William Howell - Actually that last part may be correct for someone, but I think that my buddy that is Russian by birth could fulfill that last statement IF he wasn't already happily married. By the way, he was a Russian Paratrooper, and now is an accountant helping write US tax preparation software. Oh, and he is now a US Citizen. Because of that, I do believe that he voted and knowing him, he probably voted for Trump. I guess that is some Russian influence on the election.
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SGT William Howell
SGT William Howell
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SSG Robert Webster Well there it is. The proof that that CIA was hoping would somehow magically appear to back up their made up story. A Russian did influence the election. McCain will investigate this so he can go back and tell his democrat friends all about it. Thanks for the share.
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MSG Brad Sand
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The question is much broader than I think many realize, and probably intended?

Do I think Russian hackers would have tried to hack our government and political parties, of course they were...along with every other nation. That is what electronic intelligence is all about. Did they succeed? There is no proof that they, or any other nation, did BUT if they did, one of the easiest ways would have been to use a Trojan Horse through an unsecured device of a high level (cabinet level) official...which would support why only one part seems to be compromised?

Do I think the Russians are the one's behind the information dump, no. While this is not proof that it is not the Russians, it does make me highly skeptical that it is, the Russians and their intelligence apparatus is highly professional and as such does not release information. IF they were to release such information, why dump so much of no values except to show how and where the information did come from? The Russians, while behind many incursion into electronic espionage, are still very professional and competent. As such, why release so much with NOTHING in return? What would have a greater return on their investment? I have a secret on you...it only has value while others do not know...intelligence professionals would keep the good information, not dump it for the World to know.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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The smartest comment on this string so far.
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MSG Brad Sand
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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MSG Brad Sand - Your welcome! Another item that I think would be funny if it did not seem so true is that the most intelligent comments usually come from Infantrymen.
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PO1 Cryptologic Technician Collection
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It isn't that the Russians "hacked the elections." That that is being touted seems dishonest to me. Someone "hacked" (read unauthorized release of information) the DNC and their supporters. What doesn't change regardless of who the culprit was, was the information that was released. As far as I can tell, there wasn't any manipulation of information, just exposing the emails.

Regardless, it was wrong to do that, but it doesn't change the previous behavior of the DNC. That is one of the things that cost them the election. Their own behavior.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
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Simply put Fraud and Corruption.
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SGT Damaso V Santana - Yep! They got caught so they redirect blame.
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SGT Damaso V Santana
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PO1 (Join to see) - They have to, so people forget about what they got caught doing, since they own the media is somewhat easier for them.
Their butt hurt comes from the fact that the people rejected eight more disgraceful years.
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CPT Jim Schwebach
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There's a big difference between hacking an election, a government process, and influencing participants in that process using information or misinformation hacked from private entities, like political parties. I don't believe government election systems were hacked in such a way that results were affected. As for the use of information or misinformation to convince individual voters or voting blocks that candidates of the opposing parties were low life politicians who weren't fond of animals or small children and therefore not qualified for election to any office, well, yes, that was probably done. And, as in every other political contest, it was probably done by Republicans, Democrats, Israelis, Eskimos, Russians, the Boy Scouts or any one else who may have an oar in the water. They could have obtained the info by breaking into an opponents office and taking documents(like Watergate), by just making it up(read Hamilton's comments about Jefferson) or by breaking into an inadequately protected Email file and making off with the goods(Donnie's cousin in the basement, Koreans, Chinese, Russians, ad nauseum.)

It's the Murrican Way...
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Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
Cpl Elizabeth Koeneman
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Just to be safe, Monday night I'll have my husband interrogate his Cub Scout Bear den and his buddy interrogate the Wolves, but I'm pretty sure none of them hacked anything to do with the election. Although even my 2yo is starting to get pretty handy with his brothers' tablets, so I guess a second or third grader technically could hack something if they really wanted to these days. Crap, this line of thinking is making me regret buying my 10yo a learn to code robot for his birthday...
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LTC Laborer
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While I don't know with certainty who did the hacking, in my view there are two distinct issues here - who did the hacking and the validity of the released, hacked material. Just as I believe Edward Snowden should be punished for his leaking of NSA materiel and yet am glad it was leaked, so I believe that whoever hacked the DNC and Podesta should be sanctioned but am nonetheless glad the materiel was released since it provided a better picture of Democratic National Committee malfeasance and the Democratic candidate.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
Lt Col Jim Coe
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@LTC J G W, Agree with your post. My earlier post addressed hacking the election itself--very hard to accomplish. You have correctly addressed use of illegally obtained materiel that was made public during the campaign. The DNC apparently didn't have good operational or information security. The important part is the content of the e-mails that were exposed and what they said about the Democrats. The Dems should have been more careful in both the content of their e-mail and the security of their communications. I think the Dems brought this problem on themselves and got what they deserved.
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