Posted on Oct 18, 2014
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In the 2 years i have been in i feel like the army as a whole is getting soft and weaker and i havent been in that long and i see it... i hear stories from Senior NCO's telling me about old army and at least back than it seemed like there was more order and discipline and you did more army stuff now it seems like they push paper work and discipline is lacking.... i would like to see even drill sergeants get a little harder in you face i thought basic was a lil weak input on this topic... I encourage Senior Leaders that know old army and the army today to put input into this...
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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Go back to the way it was back in the day! I probably will get hell for this but this PC stuff is crap! There not lower enlisted there Junior. A person with low rank or status compared with others.  Lower meant, Lower in rank not intelligence. From the definition of the word you are still calling them lower. When did it change! your not talking up, still talking down.
There are other things I could go into but will stay off the soap box.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
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I agree with SSG Waggoner that making changes is not indicative of weakness. However, I also agree with the SPC that the Army had an undercurrent as the result of political correctness to soften it. The answer I believe is to not slow PC or minority views to guide the military, but rather the thoughts and concepts from those that have truly been in combat. Let the most recent combat veteran set the policies. I will gladly trust them to make the right call.
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PO2 Michael Stinar
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I was in the NAVY so I'm really not qualified to answer, however I will say that I agree 100% with what SGT(P) (Join to see) had to say on this subject....
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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My grand daddy got out in 1920 because the the Army was going to Hell in a hand basket!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I suppose we COULD embrace the old Army, but I have to question the effectiveness of muskets and giant people squares on the modern battlefield. But hey, we all keep hearing about this mythical, perfect ""old Army" so let's give it a shot...
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SGT Kevin Putala
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I went through basic training and MP School at Ft. McClellan, AL in 1984, and we were the last group that went through where the drill sergeants could get in your face scream whatever they wished at you and call you whatever they wished, drop you for push ups until they got tired, and were treated in the older ways. Did it suck? Yes, but it made us tougher and more resilient physically and mentally.

I was a holdover after MP school and we got to see the brand new recruits arrive. We were anxiously awaiting all hell to break loose on someone else, and to our disappointment they were quietly lined up and marched away with barely even a raised voice. After voicing our thoughts, our drill sergeant came and informed us of the changes.

I agree that training should go back to the older ways. When stationed in Germany a few years later we received a memo advising us that it would be the gaining unit's responsibility to ensure new recruits were up to standard physically, and that they were not going to be required to pass a PT test to graduate.

I think we have gotten soft and our current Army would have a really tough time fighting the types of wars my uncles fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. We need to fund our military and strengthen it in the way they are trained and funded.
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1SG First Sergeant
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With the options you gave i can not vote. I believer there needs to be a better mix of the two. The old Army had a lot more discipline and resepct but the new Army is developing Soldiers that can think on there feet without be told what to do none stop.

Leaders need to know there Soldiers and know which Army leadership you need to use on them old school or new school.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I don't have or receive undisciplined Soldiers because most of the time, they don't act like that around me. Whether old or new Army, I am moving forward to complete a task or mission.
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SPC Charles Brown
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My advice SGT(P) (Join to see) is this, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Should some miracle occur, PC goes away and the Army can return to what it was when I went in the first time way back in 1979 you may not like what you see about that as well. I am sure there are more old vets and retirees on here who could/can vouch for the validity of my statement.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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Edited 11 y ago
Let's get real, lets take it back, way back and use swords, shields, spears, catapults, trebuchets, and slingers. We shall face the enemy with the sun to our backs, and march to every place to we need to go. No shore we leave will be left bloodless. Our Soldiers will even build the roads our infantry will march on. Lets even have gladiator arena fights as well; the entertain will be good for the troops. I just need to figure out who will power our galley ships since slavery is outlawed. I was thinking of contracting third world nationals to row the galley ships. Every battle will have a standard bearer in the front marching to the enemy. Generals will not watch the battle from the far; they will fight along side with our Soldiers. We will crush all who appose the might of the Roman....wait...the United States of America. One more thing, when it comes to a discipline problem, we can do a 10% decimation of the legion...wait...the unit.
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