Posted on Apr 17, 2018
Do you think the current approach and requirement for completion of the MLC in order to pin on MSG will keep up with force requirements?
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I am wondering what the communities thoughts are in regards to the requirement to graduate the Master Leaders Course (MLC) prior to pinning on Master Sergeant (MSG) and if the current approach will meet and keep up with force requirements.
I would like to preference this discussion by stating I am not a graduate of the course yet and do not have a projected date. With that said, I am not against the course and think a course that is MOS immaterial and focus on topics that Senior Leaders will encounter is a good idea. In my career I have comes across many Senior Leaders who are lacking in their ability to achieve that command presence. A few key topics covered in MLC that in my opinion are of great value are Mission Command, Organizational Management, and Military Briefing.
My analysis started when I was reviewing Army Career Tracker and it stated only 2% of my peers have completed MLC. This led me to do a pull of I did a pull of ATTARS for all MLC classes ever conducted or scheduled. For FY16 there was seven course; based on the names it looks like there was four pilots, one certification, and two standard for a potential of 142 graduates. For FY17 there were 16 courses conducted with a potential for 399 graduates. From October 2017 through April 2018, a potential 1,633 graduates have completed MLC. Based on ATTARS there are 36 available classes still in FY18 with a potential to graduate 1111 more students. Based on those numbers by the end of FY18 there will be a potential 3,285 MLC graduates.
If we look at just the Active component FY18 MSG list there was 3,278 selectees. At first glance, the numbers appear to add up; however, the numbers listed in ATTARS include National Guard and Reserve courses. According to the AGR/RC FY18 MSG list we need to add another 269 MSG selectees.
Based on the aggraded numbers there is 3,547 MSG selectees for FY18 with a potential to have 3,285 MLC graduates by the end of FY18. These numbers leave a delta of 262 MSG selectees without the opportunity to attend a required course to pin on their next rank.
Additionally, it would be flawed logic to think that all MLC graduates from FY16-FY18 will have all been on the FY18 MSG list. There is a potential that the MLC graduates from FY16-FY17 already pinned on MSG based on selection from the FY16 or FY17 list; those selectees would increase the delta of 262 by an unknown amount.
In conclusion my thought to the community is that by not conducting a phased in approach the delta of selectees to school dates will continue to grow unless more classes are offered or the a new approach is enacted. One potential course of action that could possible correct the delta would be to make MLC a pre-requisite for recommendation to SGM for the FY18 list, for the FY19 MSG list selectees have one year from pinning to complete the course, and for FY20 and beyond make it a requirement for pinning.
I look forward to everyone’s thought on this matter.
I would like to preference this discussion by stating I am not a graduate of the course yet and do not have a projected date. With that said, I am not against the course and think a course that is MOS immaterial and focus on topics that Senior Leaders will encounter is a good idea. In my career I have comes across many Senior Leaders who are lacking in their ability to achieve that command presence. A few key topics covered in MLC that in my opinion are of great value are Mission Command, Organizational Management, and Military Briefing.
My analysis started when I was reviewing Army Career Tracker and it stated only 2% of my peers have completed MLC. This led me to do a pull of I did a pull of ATTARS for all MLC classes ever conducted or scheduled. For FY16 there was seven course; based on the names it looks like there was four pilots, one certification, and two standard for a potential of 142 graduates. For FY17 there were 16 courses conducted with a potential for 399 graduates. From October 2017 through April 2018, a potential 1,633 graduates have completed MLC. Based on ATTARS there are 36 available classes still in FY18 with a potential to graduate 1111 more students. Based on those numbers by the end of FY18 there will be a potential 3,285 MLC graduates.
If we look at just the Active component FY18 MSG list there was 3,278 selectees. At first glance, the numbers appear to add up; however, the numbers listed in ATTARS include National Guard and Reserve courses. According to the AGR/RC FY18 MSG list we need to add another 269 MSG selectees.
Based on the aggraded numbers there is 3,547 MSG selectees for FY18 with a potential to have 3,285 MLC graduates by the end of FY18. These numbers leave a delta of 262 MSG selectees without the opportunity to attend a required course to pin on their next rank.
Additionally, it would be flawed logic to think that all MLC graduates from FY16-FY18 will have all been on the FY18 MSG list. There is a potential that the MLC graduates from FY16-FY17 already pinned on MSG based on selection from the FY16 or FY17 list; those selectees would increase the delta of 262 by an unknown amount.
In conclusion my thought to the community is that by not conducting a phased in approach the delta of selectees to school dates will continue to grow unless more classes are offered or the a new approach is enacted. One potential course of action that could possible correct the delta would be to make MLC a pre-requisite for recommendation to SGM for the FY18 list, for the FY19 MSG list selectees have one year from pinning to complete the course, and for FY20 and beyond make it a requirement for pinning.
I look forward to everyone’s thought on this matter.
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I graduated from everything the Army sent me to. Honors at B & ANOC. I think its all a pile of crap. A former MSG friend stated once the only thing he learned at ANCOC was putting 4-5 pennies under the coffee pot kept it from burning no matter how long it was on the heat.
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Mike Manwaring - Very interesting! It appears that this course is very much laid out like a college course. All communications I have seen state that HRC will dictate where we go to complete MLC or if we are required to complete the distance learning version instead.
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And I believe you may be mistaken about this course. This is designed to take the senior NCO working in the operational portion of the force and train and educate them as they eventually make the transition into staff type assignments. I found the course to be quite demanding and learned quite a bit. This from a guy who joined in 1988 and is used to working at the tactical level. Give it a chance. It's worth the time and effort.
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MLC should be a prerequisite for SGM. I believe the entire STEP program was initiated poorly. I had a SGT(P) wait almost a year to get to ALC so he could get promoted. My neighbor is a reservist being looked at for MSG and has been trying to get into SLC for over a year. He finally got a class date a year out. If our OPTEMPO ever increased to what it was my first ten years of service, the STEP program would have to be shelved or no one would get promoted. It is unsustainable in its current form.
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Promotion is based on strength and NCOs are staying in a long time. This fact slows how fast Soldiers are being promoted. It all has to balance based on CMF.
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I think that explanation needs revision. NCOs are promoted based on points at E5/E6. They should not be waiting 10-12 months for ALC/SLC to get promoted if they make cutoff.
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Without digging too deep, I believe we are making the right decision with adding the requirement of completing MLC prior to pinning MSG. I know I may sound like I am a representative from the school house but this course will improve Soldier awareness of operational functions and provide a baseline for successful writing and inter-organizational engagement. Moreover, MLC keeps operational functions fresh in our minds in preparation for the next level.
That said, I am one of the AGR MSG selectees and I look forward to attending MLC (Resident or Non-Resident). Do not be a stranger if we end up in the same class and best of luck to you! Have a good night.
That said, I am one of the AGR MSG selectees and I look forward to attending MLC (Resident or Non-Resident). Do not be a stranger if we end up in the same class and best of luck to you! Have a good night.
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MSG Mark Million - Good point. That is why increasing the distance learning quota should be top priority. If people can acquire a college degree through distance learning en masse, there is no reason why the Army cannot implement it for leadership courses. Sure, some feel they are better suited for brick and mortar but the seats do not match the que.
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I'm going to resident MLC in Jan 2019 and cannot wait! ALC and SLC were kind of a waste of time but surely a check in the box. From what I'm reading this course is exactly what I have been looking for. I want to be challenged intellectually and I think this could be a great move for the Army, if administered properly. I'll be sure to update this when I come back from the resident course. A lot of good discussion in this post though, thanks!
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I had two MLC seats last year, but both were prior to my back surgery and I was on temp profile. Now that I have recovered from my surgery and have a permanent profile, I can't seem to get a seat. Im also AGR. I did do a short notice DA 4187 just in case someone else can't go.
I feel MLC will be a great help.
I feel MLC will be a great help.
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I look forward to the course myself but have been chasing SLC non-stop for 5 years, now that is yet another course to chase down forever. The supply never seems to meet the demand.
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If you have been chasing SLC for 5 years now, then, you have a problem. You can't be in the zones of consideration for promotion without SLC and you can't be pinned on MSG without MLC.
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MSG James Devereaux
Really man? You’re chasing NCOES? Why not chase Ranger, Pfinder or Jumpmaster....
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MSG James Devereaux - I have 23 years and a limited amount of time left. Its just a matter of priorities.
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Given the level of seniority required for getting promoted to that level most are near retirement by the time they are eligible, the way many cannot get the classes they need at least within the National Guard system it becomes a delay that for many keeps them from getting the promotions they would easily otherwise earn in my opinion.
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In the early 60's there was no need for all that crap. If your Officer and NCO felt that you needed to get promoted they would send you before the Board. I went before the Board for E-6 with only 10 months in grade and I came of first in the Board for E-6/
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SFC Mamerto Perez
Maybe it was but we had a LTC as President of the Promotion Board, two CSM, and two M
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It seems to be a good plan- I did BNCOC & ANCOC by both correspondence and physically- Book learning was nice but actually doing hands on with different MOS's was great- MSG should do wonders- for the nay-sayers 1. It is possible to stay light INF all your life (I did) and I knew of Mech was how to kill it. At Infantry advanced courses- I drove, inspected, maintained and deployed Mech- a real eye opener. At the Advanced Battle Staff Course (SGM Academy) I learned sides of the staff that I never touched cause we trained/learned each staff function BN thru Corps- S1-J7. I had fellow NCO's at these course that seldom if ever had to stand up and give staff briefings or do staff papers, cause their time was limited to troop level. Bottom line from these courses, and I hope the MLC would do the same- I walked away with more than any idea how various parts/MOS's functioned and how to integrate with them. By the way- if you don't pass such courses- you use to be non-select for promotion
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MSG Jasin Jones
Retired SGM Frazer thank you for responding. I would like to say I too think the course is a good idea and will provide a valuable experience for all selected SFCs. Did you get a chance to read though my entire post; unfortunately it would seem the title has led to a bit of confusion on my point of view and overall issue. Based on your experience do you think the plan as laid out will work or will we see a backlog at the school house until more classes are offered?
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SGM Bill Frazer
There always is a backlog with any of these school programs, all you can do is go with the flow
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MSG James Devereaux
As you stated “you can stay light your entire career”, that said why jam a bunch of irrelevant requirements at a soldier that doesn’t need them. An 11B E-7 will get promoted for one reason, to be the 1SG of a rifle company. These men have enough BS on their plates, if soft skills need more leadership training then give it to them. Let our fighting men do just that.
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I think that it is a good thing. This is bring back the old 1SG course in a way. It is a new thing and with any change there will be some growing pains. The army does need more class slots and I think that they will have more for FY19 it takes time to set up a new program. The problem with making it a requirement for SGM selection is then you would need to get all of the current MSG's to this new course before you could start to fill SFC(p). You will have 2 years to get to MLC and they should have enough slots by then for everyone.
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SSG Howell I agree new schools take time to set up. I am currently an instructor at a high demand low seat availability school. We have been around 2 years and have to deal with OML and wait list all the time. I was not saying it was a requirement for SGM for all current MSGs but as part of the phased in approach it would of been a requirement for only FY18 MSG selectees.
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I am in the same boat as you. I am also due to deploy and wonder how HRC will assign MLC dates. I would assume they would do it by sequence number.
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MSG Jasin Jones
Based on a comment by MSG Shutts they are slotting based on DOR and assigned sequence number.
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HRC announced there would be resident and nonresident courses. Perhaps that accounts for the delta in your findings?
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MSG Shutts I agree the addition of the non-resident courses will help in accounting for the delta. There has been six non-resident included in my numbers up to this point accounting for a potential 161 of the graduates. However, there is no additional non-resident listed for FY18.
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I’ve seen this posted a few times in multiple NCO-centric forums. Apologies if it’s a double tap, but maybe it will put your mind more at ease.
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MSG Shutts that is some good information. It says that once slotted we cannot do a walk-on. I take that as we are able to attempt walk-ons until we are notified. That is good to know.
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I have one week left. Thank God! I am enrolled in the Distance Learning. It really is like working in a vacuum. It requires a lot of self-discipline. It is mostly just meeting weekly deadlines and making sure you post/turn-in papers. Conflict with work is unavoidable, even though you are supposed to do it during the duty day. There is a little bit of guessing what the facilitator is looking for even though they publish the rubrics. Some assignments are unclear. I take that back.. a lot of the assignments are unclear. You don't collaborate or network, therefore that valuable classroom discussion is missing. Also missing is Q&A w/instructors.. in fact, there is no instructor. They are facilitators (hence, you are self-teaching yourself). You cannot work ahead. It is a set-schedule which competes with other real work. There is way too much readings. Again, if you don't know how to do voice-over Powerpoint, you either Google it, phone a friend, or ask for help from your classmates. I have spent way more midnight-hours than I have ever before. But then again, I am not the best when it comes to time management. I wish they would teach about that! Time management and Glide paths -- to stay on track and no surprises.
I don't think the facilitator even reads half of the crap I posted (you keep looking to make sure you made the required 150-200 words). So, is MLC worth it? Is it good? It forces you to focus when you're doing it. You have to cut-out the extra-crap (socializing, etc.) for the time being. It is making me a smarter, more intelligent leader. It's allowed me to re-group my thinking about my career and it has definitely re-opened my critical thinking/creative skills.
I don't think the facilitator even reads half of the crap I posted (you keep looking to make sure you made the required 150-200 words). So, is MLC worth it? Is it good? It forces you to focus when you're doing it. You have to cut-out the extra-crap (socializing, etc.) for the time being. It is making me a smarter, more intelligent leader. It's allowed me to re-group my thinking about my career and it has definitely re-opened my critical thinking/creative skills.
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This will result in just more ridiculous numbers games in the already jacked up promotions numbers. How many more classes do senior NCOs need to learn the Army writing style, which has always been at an eighth grade level? This isn’t a “net” to catch the unworthy promotables. Don’t seniors have enough BS on their plates? I also recognize that this “course”, for the most part, will be irrelevant for 11B and a few others that will likely only be promoted to 1SG, and fortunately there’s no longer a requirement of additional institutional learning and they follow the recommendations of the DA and soldiers Chain of Command.
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CSM Danny S.
You are correct this course will not do anything for a person that is promoted to 1SG. This is what happened to me. However there is two things it does for you. It will help get you ready to function at a BDE or higher headquarters, and get to experience some of what the Sergeant Majors Academy will be like. The course was only two weeks and the work load is what is really hard not the work itself.
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Good question. Several of our Soldiers justbteturned and I heard the level of rigor was high. As long as the other courses orepare them for increasing rigor.
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NCOES is mostly a waste of time and resources. It’s funny how in a time of war none of it matters.
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I'm obviously not in this branch of service or anywhere near this rank level, but my input is this:
As a Marine, you are required to take some form of a PME geared towards the next rank. PFCs/LCpls have the Leadership Seminar. Cpls have Cpl's Course. Sgt's have Sgt's Course. SNCOs have the Staff Academy along with other leadership courses.
I can see both sides of the coin. The people who want to be good leaders will go to the courses, absorb the materials and disseminate it through their ranks in order to be a good leader. The people who are just going through the motions will go to the course, check off their "requirement for promotion" and then bring back nothing of value to their unit.
I like the requirements to send you to rank specific courses because you have the opportunity to branch out from your specific work center and network with people in your rank. It also keeps you in the mindset to always continue your learning. Complacency is the biggest killer in the military. So course like this help to weed out people who are "set in their ways".
But like I said, there are those who will benefit greatly from leadership courses like this, and those who will just go through the motions. If we're lucky, the people who just go through the motions will be weeded out soon enough.
As a Marine, you are required to take some form of a PME geared towards the next rank. PFCs/LCpls have the Leadership Seminar. Cpls have Cpl's Course. Sgt's have Sgt's Course. SNCOs have the Staff Academy along with other leadership courses.
I can see both sides of the coin. The people who want to be good leaders will go to the courses, absorb the materials and disseminate it through their ranks in order to be a good leader. The people who are just going through the motions will go to the course, check off their "requirement for promotion" and then bring back nothing of value to their unit.
I like the requirements to send you to rank specific courses because you have the opportunity to branch out from your specific work center and network with people in your rank. It also keeps you in the mindset to always continue your learning. Complacency is the biggest killer in the military. So course like this help to weed out people who are "set in their ways".
But like I said, there are those who will benefit greatly from leadership courses like this, and those who will just go through the motions. If we're lucky, the people who just go through the motions will be weeded out soon enough.
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MSG Jasin Jones
Cpl Goolsby thanks for your views. As I too stated in my full topic I am all for the training. On the Army side we also have required NCO schools at all levels. Our SPC(E4) looking to pin SGT(E5) go though the Basic Leaders Course; a SGT(E5) looking to pin SSG(E6) go though the Advanced Leaders Course; a SSG(E6) going to SFC(E7) go though the Senior Leaders Course; our brand new required course as of this year is the Master Leader Course for a SFC(E7) moving to MSG(E8); then we have the Sergeants Major Academy for a MSG(E8) moving to SGM(E9).
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MSG James Devereaux
The school isn’t there to “weed” anyone out. It wasn’t the school who promoted the soldier and your mentality, if ever replicated, would turn the course into just another NCOES joke. Another net to “catch” those that shouldn’t have been promoted. Hey maybe they could conduct AR 600-9 enforcement and throw a few fat guys out and ensure they aren’t promoted as the Department of the Army and the soldiers Chain of Command has already done... Ya get my point?
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I attended in 2016 as a MSG with the knowledge that I would be teaching it in the validation portion at Camp Shelby in June of 2017.
Some things to note:
It is not designed as a replacement for the 1SG course. I will say little to nothing has to do with being a 1SG. The intent was not operational knowledge; as war fighters we know how to be a 1SG by the time we're there. We are failing at the staff levels. Parts of ILE are integrated into the course to give us a better understanding when working with staff officer counter parts. Joint doctrine is fed as well.
This is not a company level type course. It's BDE and up. It's taught in a different way (collaborative learning via experiential learning model) evaluated in a different way (essay style content based test questions) and it covers new content areas that most aren't familiar with (joint doctrine, etc).
I completely agree that it should be a requirement to pin MSG. Don't be fooled by the ATRRS numbers; quotas are going up. onlyn4 locations taught it last year. More have been validated since then. So numbers will increase. The bulk of the 16-17 numbers were MSG's and senior SFC's that were selected as possible facilitators.
Yes, people show up not ready for this course no different than any other. It's part of life. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Also, if I'm not mistaken isn't 1 Jan 2019 the cutoff date that you must have MLC to pin MSG/1SG? I might be wrong but it seems like that was the case.
Some things to note:
It is not designed as a replacement for the 1SG course. I will say little to nothing has to do with being a 1SG. The intent was not operational knowledge; as war fighters we know how to be a 1SG by the time we're there. We are failing at the staff levels. Parts of ILE are integrated into the course to give us a better understanding when working with staff officer counter parts. Joint doctrine is fed as well.
This is not a company level type course. It's BDE and up. It's taught in a different way (collaborative learning via experiential learning model) evaluated in a different way (essay style content based test questions) and it covers new content areas that most aren't familiar with (joint doctrine, etc).
I completely agree that it should be a requirement to pin MSG. Don't be fooled by the ATRRS numbers; quotas are going up. onlyn4 locations taught it last year. More have been validated since then. So numbers will increase. The bulk of the 16-17 numbers were MSG's and senior SFC's that were selected as possible facilitators.
Yes, people show up not ready for this course no different than any other. It's part of life. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Also, if I'm not mistaken isn't 1 Jan 2019 the cutoff date that you must have MLC to pin MSG/1SG? I might be wrong but it seems like that was the case.
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MSG Jasin Jones
MSG Herrington excellent information, Thank You. I agree that skills to operate at the staff level especially in an Joint Environment are lacking. As an instructor at the Digital Intelligence Systems Master Gunner Course one of our topics is JIM.
As a previously stated I am not against the course and agree with the curriculum. I still think the approach from not required to required will cause a delay.
I am not tracking t by e 01 January 2019. All references I have seen state anyone selected on the FY18 MSG list have to be a MLC graduate in order to pin on MSG.
As a previously stated I am not against the course and agree with the curriculum. I still think the approach from not required to required will cause a delay.
I am not tracking t by e 01 January 2019. All references I have seen state anyone selected on the FY18 MSG list have to be a MLC graduate in order to pin on MSG.
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The question is. how long to you have on the promotion list if you don't attend MLC before you are thrown off the MSG List?
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SFC Jones,
First of all, congratulations on making the list! I graduated from MLC a couple weeks ago. It was the most challenging course that I have taken. The email came out midway through our two week course that stated that a DL version of MLC is being launched. I would not want to take it in an online version. However, I believe that the Army has recognized this issue and is trying to get ahead of it.
The same problem exists in the SSG and SFC promotions. I know several SSG(P)s that have been waiting for their school date fore over a year. I beieve this is why there are no longer published sequence numbers. The Army can promote any number who fulfills the STEP requirements, no matter how many promotable SM have lower sequence numbers.
First of all, congratulations on making the list! I graduated from MLC a couple weeks ago. It was the most challenging course that I have taken. The email came out midway through our two week course that stated that a DL version of MLC is being launched. I would not want to take it in an online version. However, I believe that the Army has recognized this issue and is trying to get ahead of it.
The same problem exists in the SSG and SFC promotions. I know several SSG(P)s that have been waiting for their school date fore over a year. I beieve this is why there are no longer published sequence numbers. The Army can promote any number who fulfills the STEP requirements, no matter how many promotable SM have lower sequence numbers.
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Even when they had sequence numbers, they would promote down the list, if they encountered one who didn't meat the NCOES portion. they would skip to the next one. Once the skipped personnel met the ncoes requirements they'd make it during the next wave of promotions.
Or am i misremembering?
The purpose of doing away with sequence numbers was to emphasize talent over experience if i recall.
Or am i misremembering?
The purpose of doing away with sequence numbers was to emphasize talent over experience if i recall.
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MSG Jasin Jones
SFC Manwaring I have heard it is a challenging course and the AARs have all suggested it be done in a TDY status to avoid office task as well as common everyday distractions of being home. However, I do think with the proper self control and the right amount command emphases a distant learning option is viable.
SSG Pefley in regards to being skipped. That is exactly how it will work with this year list. Everyone still has a sequence number they are just not published outside of your individuals SRB. If you are Sequence Number 05 and you have not graduated MLC and on the 01 June 2018 they promote 10 people. The first 10 people with MLC will be fully eligible for promotion. However lets say you complete MLC on 10 June you do not automatically get to pin. If the 01 July list comes out and they promote enough to meet your new threshold you get to pin. However for example if there was three other individuals who were not MLC graduates but graduates the same day as you and they had lower sequence numbers. You are for all intent and purpose sequence number 4. If only three are picked you then you have to wait until 01 August.
SSG Pefley in regards to being skipped. That is exactly how it will work with this year list. Everyone still has a sequence number they are just not published outside of your individuals SRB. If you are Sequence Number 05 and you have not graduated MLC and on the 01 June 2018 they promote 10 people. The first 10 people with MLC will be fully eligible for promotion. However lets say you complete MLC on 10 June you do not automatically get to pin. If the 01 July list comes out and they promote enough to meet your new threshold you get to pin. However for example if there was three other individuals who were not MLC graduates but graduates the same day as you and they had lower sequence numbers. You are for all intent and purpose sequence number 4. If only three are picked you then you have to wait until 01 August.
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I think it’s a step in the right direction. MOS immaterial and focusing on information all leaders need to know at the CO level. My primary concern is that it will cause a backlog of personnel for promotion. With BLC, ALC, and SLC, there were a number of personnel who were already school trained when selected for promotion, whereas MLC is a relatively new program with few graduates to date. I’ll be interested to see if the various school locations can provide a throughput that will support the promotion needs of the Army. As I was selected for MSG this board, it’s definitely in my best interest that it does.
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MSG Jasin Jones
SFC White I too was selected this year which is what led me to start my fact finding mission. Based on the course overview I have seen I am glad it covers a broad range of topics not just what needs to be know as a 1SG. It looks to also prepare a Senior NCO to work on a staff in both a Traditional Army unit and a Joint Environment.
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I do feel that continued PME is vital to "keeping up" with the ever changing environment in which we find ourselves. Being an AGR E7 and having swapped the number 1 spot on the promotion list back and forth between myself and another E7 for the last 4 years, with neither of us getting the opportunity for promotion (no vacant E8 slots announced), the selfish part of me thinks than MLC should not be a requirement to PIN on E8. We have both deployed as Operations NCOs, worked with units, BNs, BDEs, from NGs of other states to Reserves and Active Component. Not to mention, for myself anyway, that 4 out of the past 5 1\2 years spent as acting 1SG for one reason or another. That experience in its self should count towards something other than good NCOER Bullets. But the SRNCO part of me is very well aware to the fact that if we do not continue to self improve our own "foxhole" the troops that we have led and are leading will pass right by us before we know it...Just my two cents worth.
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