Posted on Jan 8, 2016
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When I was in the 101st there was an organizational standard for 4 mile run and 12 mile ruck. I believe implementing this would greatly improve the overall health of the force. The SMA wants soldiers getting out and pushing themselves to run harder and get stronger. I believe that adding this standard would force many out of shape soldiers to shape up or get out. Too many times do I see soldiers just walking around during PT hours or doing little to no PT at all. I think this would be a great motivator for everyone to get in shape.
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COL Charles Williams
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The 4 mile run and the 12 mile road march, are a long standing 18th Airborne Corps standards, and while I am OK with run, not everyone needs to do a 12 miler... Don't get me wrong, I do believe PT matters and it should be a main effort, and that we need to hold folks to the standard, and focus on physical fitness excellence. But,I could never see masses doing the 4 mile run, or the 12 miler... As a company commander... circa 1991-1993, my company would do runs routinely of 6 miles or more... But, that took a concerted effort.

Many moons ago, when I was with 10th Mountain, the 12 miler was reduced to 6 miles (by 18th Abn Corps) for every who did not walk with with the Infantry, as there were too many injuries resulting from road marching, making many troops non-deployable. As an example... does a helicopter pilot, or truck driver need to be able to go 12 miles in 3 hours on foot? I am a MP, and while we did the 12 miler and 4 miler... MPs also don't really need to be proficient at doing a 12 miler.

Nevertheless, I agree fitness matters, and we need to maintain high standards, and probably find a better test. PT and fitness largely depends on how much emphasis a command places on it.

To your core question CPT (Join to see), I think the APFT is fine, but I also believe it it is time we looked a new options, which we have done more than once since the current APFT was introduced.

I also think we need to implement gender neutral tests that are best on your specific job.
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Thanks for your comment sir. Very informative and well said.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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Let's add a $1 monthly bonus for every point above the 180.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Different is the single word I would use.. Some will find it more difficult, some just more challenging. The issue has always been the same since the first time I went to the Army Master Fitness school, to the second time, or later when I assisted in off site visiting MFT courses.. When the question of a "Better APFT" came up the problem was always ... how? How to implement.. What meaningful test exercises could be implemented that addressed the component of physical fitness targeted that could be done at any location world wide at any time of the day or night, with no new equipment or facilities required.. It had to be measureable, with the ability to train the trainer to be cable of consistently observing the same way each time.. So the only variable was the physical input, not the observer, equipment or location( location and environment may make results not comparable to another location , but all participants at that test site would on the same footing.)
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