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As a member of the so-called "New" Navy, this question has been asked and talked about around my command for the last few months. I'd like to hear some different perspectives about it
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Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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I believe this:
Both sexes are different. There is no getting around it. Can't be done without hormone therapy for both sexes. That being said, regardless of the job, if either sex can meet the standard then fine, cool, grab a weapon and move out. If neither sex can meet the standard, sorry, but grab your gear and hit the door. I believe in letting people try. I believe in letting people have the opportunity to try. But saying they HAVE to be included just pisses people off and will (for a time) create hostilities.
Both sexes are different. There is no getting around it. Can't be done without hormone therapy for both sexes. That being said, regardless of the job, if either sex can meet the standard then fine, cool, grab a weapon and move out. If neither sex can meet the standard, sorry, but grab your gear and hit the door. I believe in letting people try. I believe in letting people have the opportunity to try. But saying they HAVE to be included just pisses people off and will (for a time) create hostilities.
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HN Robert Barquist
Agreed, and when it comes to combat roles all need to have the same opportunity to qualify, but under the identical rigorous standards necessary for combat, no exceptions. I have known men who could not make the grade. And I have known some women that scare the hell out of me! Thx/BB
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Sgt Keegan D'Alfonso
Men and women are different, both physically and mentally (and by mentally I mean they think differently), but I wouldn't call that a bad thing. Let's embrace our difference and utilize them effectively instead of trying to make everyone the same.
Under no circumstances should we lower standards for anyone though.
Under no circumstances should we lower standards for anyone though.
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'Bother me?' I am blessed to have retired before the insanity was to deeply in bedded.
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PO2 Peter Wells
CPO David Sharp -
We just Said "Treat the Sick and Injured and maintain the Medical Readiness of Ship's Company and Embarked Personnel." was our Mission... they she said "But how do we turn that in to a mission statement" To which Replied "We just stated that we Treat the Sick and Injured and Maintain Medical Readiness. That's Our Mission and we stated it"
It went on like that for a while lol. The Senior Corpsmen (4-1st classes, 3-CPO, SCPO top heavy Department) and Doctor (LT) kept Skipping through Triage and Giggling at her Frustration. But the LTJG and the LCDR were so intent on it I think they were trying to win some Contest.
The Whole Ordeal took place 10 Years Ago though so I won't be able to Educate the JG.
We just Said "Treat the Sick and Injured and maintain the Medical Readiness of Ship's Company and Embarked Personnel." was our Mission... they she said "But how do we turn that in to a mission statement" To which Replied "We just stated that we Treat the Sick and Injured and Maintain Medical Readiness. That's Our Mission and we stated it"
It went on like that for a while lol. The Senior Corpsmen (4-1st classes, 3-CPO, SCPO top heavy Department) and Doctor (LT) kept Skipping through Triage and Giggling at her Frustration. But the LTJG and the LCDR were so intent on it I think they were trying to win some Contest.
The Whole Ordeal took place 10 Years Ago though so I won't be able to Educate the JG.
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CPO David Sharp
Doc Wells, There have been times I have encountered some J.O.s acting similar. The job of the CPO Community is to train the J.O.s, and that goes up to CDR. The antics are a competition of sort to try and impress higher Command. Most times it falls into a category of a test by superior Officers pushing the Juniors. Unfortunately the subordinate Sailors pay the price for this "school yard" nonsense. The CPO, SCPO and to some extent the E-6 personnel failed in their role to her and the enlisted Corpsmen. In some respect the CPO tarnished the anchor a bit in the actions taken and NOT taken.
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Maj John Bell
PO2 Peter Wells - As grunt I thought the FMF Corpsman mission was "Save the wounded, heal the sick, even at great peril to myself". God Bless the Navy Corpsman.
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No, for me it's the reverse. A gender oriented military bothers me. Standards should be more important than gender. Why should gender be taken into consideration for job performance?
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Cpl Joseph R. Connors / USMC
I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. Standards should NEVER be lowered under any circumstance. Most especially at the expense of combat-readiness and effectiveness for the sake of advancing a diluted political agenda.
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SSG (Join to see)
Sir, very well said. It truly boggles my mind why so many continue to view others in such a manner.
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It's a mistake to place emphasis on anything that makes us different be it gender, religion, ethnic background, sexual preference, etc. It's also a mistake to make a really big freaking deal about creating neutrality to eliminate any hint of those differences. Let's face it people, we all know we are different and in my +20 years of active service, we learned to work with those differences and got the job done. That is what it should be all about, accomplishing the mission. All this emphasis on social equality takes time and resources away from what should be our primary function: combat readiness. Given the choice between going to the range for small arms practice and qualifications versus sitting through another human relations mando-training function, I know for a fact 99.9% of Sailors would opt for shooting at the range.
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Suspended Profile
IF it were truly gender neutral, it would be fine. That would mean, however, identical STANDARDS for all. That includes physical fitness testing. Equal opportunity MUST include equal responsibility...
SrA Jonathan Carbonaro
Ma'am, I agree with you. I would add that true equality would mean that they force females to register for the draft.
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Nope. My hope is that the military will become just a little less obsessed with aesthetics and more concerned with results..
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Sgt Keegan D'Alfonso
The military has always been concerned with results, it's the politicians pushing their agendas we need to worry about.
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In for a penny in for a pound. Gender neutral should be mandatory. ALL recruits get their heads shaved, No combat restrictions, NO high heals or skirts for uniforms, unisex berthing areas and heads, men with pregnant wives should be able to skip deployments.
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How much more "Gender-Neutral" can "I am an American Sailor...." get before it is a deviation from the oath we took?
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CWO2 Eric Peterson
...and the fact is when it really counts, like when we've got hostiles inbound, or there's a Main Space fire, flooding, etc., it sure as heck doesn't matter who you are or what you look like, just as long as you're doing your job Sailor, that's what matters most.
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CPO (Join to see)
You response is about as epic as any response I could imagine. Our creed, core values and what we stand for is solely embedded in the phrase, "I am a United States Sailor..."
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Before you know you're going to have a guy say he needs the standards for a girl because he believes he was really "supposed" to be a girl.
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I have never seen it any different with the women in the Navy. Except work week in bootcamp.
If she can train like a man she should be able to fight like a man. Period, end of story, nuff said, ect…
If she can train like a man she should be able to fight like a man. Period, end of story, nuff said, ect…
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SA Harold Hansmann
Mama always said,: "if she can hit like a man then she should take it like a man!" Always figured it the same motto regardless of what she was doing.
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