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As a member of the so-called "New" Navy, this question has been asked and talked about around my command for the last few months. I'd like to hear some different perspectives about it
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I'm looking forward to the "Starship Trooper" era where everyone showers together......
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You damn right it does....! It really does Pi#$ me off that these “Ultra- uber : (to an extreme or excessive degree) Liberal, PC, Intolerant Pukes led by the same type from the White House and
its surrounding Czarists that are force feeding us with this crap!
I’m a moralist, i.e., one who tries to lead a moral life and is answerable to God Almighty when the final countdown comes and to my family and my own personal belief as an Ultra-uber
Conservative Catholic Christian.
I’m embarrassed and ashamed that this wonderful country has sunken into the depths of Depravity, Socialism and Free stuff for all at the expense of the real taxpayers and Capitalistic
Entrepreneurial resources that have, up until this point in time, made America Great.
There’s an old saying: “What goes around, comes around” !!!
its surrounding Czarists that are force feeding us with this crap!
I’m a moralist, i.e., one who tries to lead a moral life and is answerable to God Almighty when the final countdown comes and to my family and my own personal belief as an Ultra-uber
Conservative Catholic Christian.
I’m embarrassed and ashamed that this wonderful country has sunken into the depths of Depravity, Socialism and Free stuff for all at the expense of the real taxpayers and Capitalistic
Entrepreneurial resources that have, up until this point in time, made America Great.
There’s an old saying: “What goes around, comes around” !!!
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Yes, a "gender-neutral" navy bothers me very much. What are we going to do, call a Yeoman a "yo-person" or a personnelman an enlisted records clerk? Leave it ALONE!!! Tradition is a very important part of the Navy I joined. What do we call a Boatswain MATE? We have made enough allowances for Women in the Navy. If they don't like the uniform or the job title they can always look to the other services.
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stupid is, is stupid does.
When it comes to the mission, I just want to accomplish it, and preserve as much of the force as possible. I don't care who helps. The health, welfare, and morale issues are murkier. They don't bother me. It is just new ground, and I just don't know how to be fair. I want to be fair.
There was a sense of community in the old squad bays. Can men and women be housed together in those conditions? Can straights and gays be housed together in those conditions? In a combat theater is it best to accommodate uniqueness or to maintain unit integrity. If I expect one set of accommodations in theater, shouldn't we practice them in peacetime garrison. Better to resolve those non-mission issues when not under fire. Put together all the permutations you want on any issue where gender is germane. At some point, I worry that all the money being spent on accommodating everyone's diversity means less money to train everyone to survive on the battlefield. I'm retired, so better leaders than I will have to wrestle with those issues. I believe that eventually across all ranks a reasonably equitable solution will be reached.
There was a sense of community in the old squad bays. Can men and women be housed together in those conditions? Can straights and gays be housed together in those conditions? In a combat theater is it best to accommodate uniqueness or to maintain unit integrity. If I expect one set of accommodations in theater, shouldn't we practice them in peacetime garrison. Better to resolve those non-mission issues when not under fire. Put together all the permutations you want on any issue where gender is germane. At some point, I worry that all the money being spent on accommodating everyone's diversity means less money to train everyone to survive on the battlefield. I'm retired, so better leaders than I will have to wrestle with those issues. I believe that eventually across all ranks a reasonably equitable solution will be reached.
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I firmly believe in equality and equal rights, but not in gender-neutral in the military. Joe Rogan has a podcast that focused on preferred gender-neutral pronouns. It is ridiculous. Glad I'm out of that Navy. Good luck shipmates!
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Gender neutrality in the military is like so many idealistic goals, easy to legislate or dictate, but virtually impossible to attain without modifying standards. The SecNav's edicts assume: all DOD members will overcome cultural training that differentiates individuals based upon gender. Our Navy and Marine Corps are capable of war success despite the University of Pittsburg study that defined the decrease in combat effectiveness.
Eventually the standards will change when the number of women attaining their goals does not meet the expectations of those who are mandating the changes. Dig out the history of McNamara's experiment in mandating the enlistment of those who could not meet military intellectual standards.
It all boils down to success in combat, all the rest is political window dressing.
Eventually the standards will change when the number of women attaining their goals does not meet the expectations of those who are mandating the changes. Dig out the history of McNamara's experiment in mandating the enlistment of those who could not meet military intellectual standards.
It all boils down to success in combat, all the rest is political window dressing.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Just read that the Marine Commandant is pushing for more stringent Physical requirements. I don't think I would want to play chess with him. Be interesting to see how long a real Marine leader lasts in this PC environment lasts.
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I think they have taken it to far with the political correctness. What you're all sea-people now instead of seaman? It just sounds lame. If the military truely wanted to Gender neutral, they wouldn't mess with the names of jobs or ranks; as it is meaningless and just makes jobs sound weird or more PC.
If they wanted it to be equal, Females would be forced to register for the draft, and their would be one standard when it comes to PT.
If they wanted it to be equal, Females would be forced to register for the draft, and their would be one standard when it comes to PT.
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Yes it does because the neither the military nor gender itself is neutral. The average American woman is 5'4" and the ideal weight for a woman of that height is between 119-123lbs. That's not enough to bear a 40-50lb rucksack for any amount of time/distance let alone deadlift a fallen male comrade that's 200lbs. Long story short, women should NOT be in combat roles nor should they be deployed to combat areas regardless of position. Unfortunately, we've reached a point in this nation where preserving PC bullshit trumps the lives that will be lost because of stupidity like this.
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I feel it should be gender bias .a soldier is a soldier man or woman doesn't matter. Women can achieve and preform just as much as a male sometimes better. Equality is essential in today's military.
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