Posted on Jun 4, 2019
Does anyone have a counseling statement for lack of communication and INTENTION to go AWOL? Or should those be two different event oriented?
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I have a Cadet that failed to properly utilize the CoC to ask me if he could be excused from Annual Training to attend a months-long internship across the country. He's known about the internship for months, but waited to tell the unit until today, two days after he had left.
Apparently he initially called our brand new training NCO to get his orders rescinded, and upon being told that wasn't possible at that NCO's level, attempted to call the Commander once before taking matters into his own hands and just deciding to go anyway. He knows as a "3rd LT" in our unit that all the Os including him report to me as I am the XO.
My CDR is understandably pissed, and wants me to counsel him so we can begin the process to get him moved to a different unit. Should I counsel him for failure to communicate with chain of command about his plans now, and then give him another for being AWOL once AT starts, or roll both the counselings into one? Anyone have a counseling example for failure to communicate/plan/set an example, so that I don't have to recreate the wheel?
Apparently he initially called our brand new training NCO to get his orders rescinded, and upon being told that wasn't possible at that NCO's level, attempted to call the Commander once before taking matters into his own hands and just deciding to go anyway. He knows as a "3rd LT" in our unit that all the Os including him report to me as I am the XO.
My CDR is understandably pissed, and wants me to counsel him so we can begin the process to get him moved to a different unit. Should I counsel him for failure to communicate with chain of command about his plans now, and then give him another for being AWOL once AT starts, or roll both the counselings into one? Anyone have a counseling example for failure to communicate/plan/set an example, so that I don't have to recreate the wheel?
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If this is how he/she acts as a cadet, I don't want them "leading" my platoon. This is how we get LT's that murder a village.
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1LT(P) (Join to see)
My thoughts too. He can't manage his own business. How will he manage soliders?
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If I'm reading this right, he had orders to report. I see not only AWOL charge but also Failure to go, failure to obey a lawful order, and conduct of unbecoming. So my question is, why mess around with a counseling? He is a grown adult and knows what is expected of him. Kick him out. You are then sending the message to others that this will not be tolerated.
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CPT Enrique M. - Great points. You would have to find out if he is or is not subject to the UCMJ and go from there. That would make a big difference.
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CPT Enrique M. Sir if he’s not contracted can you prevent him from becoming contracted? I don’t want someone like that leading me into battle or even to the dfac for that matter.
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CPT Enrique M.
SPC (Join to see) - Yes and No.. Yes because the unit has influence on letting the ROTC unit know that the cadet doesn't meet standards. No because ultimately the decision is made by the ROTC unit and the processing steps they are required to make for contracting.
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My situation is similar in that we have 2 cadets that failed to show. We started the AWOL counseling but it was brought up that the cadets would be flagged for adverse action which may affect their scholarship. How would the adverse action flag get removed? How do they get back to their ROTC unit?
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The counseling will only go as far as you can throw it once he's out of cadet command. Have you initiated conversations with his cadet CoC?
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1LT(P) (Join to see)
I'm weighing that option now. When I was a CDT my CDR would have a phone call with my ROTC cadre once a semester to discuss my performance. We should start doing that in this unit.
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1LT(P) (Join to see) frankly, they're the ones that technically control said cadet until commissioning.
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