Posted on Jul 22, 2016
Does anyone know if or where in the regs it states that you can be flagged for not taking an APFT for 8 months?
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This is a two part answer.
Per: AR 600-8-2 (I think you want the second part of the first sentence of paragraph "b".)
Section: 2–3. Circumstances requiring a transferable Flag
paragraph: b “Army Physical Fitness Test failure” (Flag code J)
Paper page: 6; Digital page: 10
Initiate a Flag when a Soldier fails a record APFT or when, through the Soldier’s fault as determined by the commander, the Soldier fails to take the APFT within the time prescribed by existing regulations, or when directed by the commanding officer (as provided for in AR 350–1). A Flag is not required for a Soldier who has a permanent or temporary profile that precludes taking the APFT or is unable to undergo an APFT because of conditions beyond the Soldier’s control (as determined by the commander). Soldiers with a profile effective after the APFT will remain flagged until a record APFT is passed. A Flag is not required when the commander determines the Soldier cannot be administered an alternate APFT because of conditions beyond the Soldier’s control. Soldiers who become pregnant after being flagged for failing an APFT (as determined by a physician) will remain flagged until successfully passing an APFT. Remove the Flag (code E) on date of compliance. If, as determined by her primary care provider, the Soldier was pregnant at the time of APFT failure, the commander will immediately remove the Flag (code Z).
"... or when, through the Soldier’s fault as determined by the commander, the Soldier fails to take the APFT within the time prescribed by existing regulations, or when directed by the commanding officer (as provided for in AR 350–1)." So how can a Commander determine the "time prescribed"?
Per: AR 350-1
Section: G–9. Physical readiness training
Paragraph: m
Sub paragraph: (2)
Paper page: 175; Digital page: 187
Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record. AA and AGR Soldiers will take the APFT twice each calendar year. A minimum of 4 months will separate record tests. Soldiers that require make-up testing or re-testing for an APFT failure are exempt from the 4-month rule. The intent is for the Active Army and the AGR Soldiers to take a record APFT every 6 months. Mission requirements often prevent the even spacing of record tests. Therefore, commanders are encouraged to test Soldiers for record as close to the record test window as possible. Soldiers requiring make-up testing will be scheduled in accordance with the unit Standard Operating Procedures. Soldiers requiring re-testing for an APFT failure will be
scheduled as prescribed in paragraph G–9.m.(6) of this regulation.
Basically, this SM needs to take the APFT or IAW both of these regulations be counseled and flagged until he takes and passes the APFT.
Per: AR 600-8-2 (I think you want the second part of the first sentence of paragraph "b".)
Section: 2–3. Circumstances requiring a transferable Flag
paragraph: b “Army Physical Fitness Test failure” (Flag code J)
Paper page: 6; Digital page: 10
Initiate a Flag when a Soldier fails a record APFT or when, through the Soldier’s fault as determined by the commander, the Soldier fails to take the APFT within the time prescribed by existing regulations, or when directed by the commanding officer (as provided for in AR 350–1). A Flag is not required for a Soldier who has a permanent or temporary profile that precludes taking the APFT or is unable to undergo an APFT because of conditions beyond the Soldier’s control (as determined by the commander). Soldiers with a profile effective after the APFT will remain flagged until a record APFT is passed. A Flag is not required when the commander determines the Soldier cannot be administered an alternate APFT because of conditions beyond the Soldier’s control. Soldiers who become pregnant after being flagged for failing an APFT (as determined by a physician) will remain flagged until successfully passing an APFT. Remove the Flag (code E) on date of compliance. If, as determined by her primary care provider, the Soldier was pregnant at the time of APFT failure, the commander will immediately remove the Flag (code Z).
"... or when, through the Soldier’s fault as determined by the commander, the Soldier fails to take the APFT within the time prescribed by existing regulations, or when directed by the commanding officer (as provided for in AR 350–1)." So how can a Commander determine the "time prescribed"?
Per: AR 350-1
Section: G–9. Physical readiness training
Paragraph: m
Sub paragraph: (2)
Paper page: 175; Digital page: 187
Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record. AA and AGR Soldiers will take the APFT twice each calendar year. A minimum of 4 months will separate record tests. Soldiers that require make-up testing or re-testing for an APFT failure are exempt from the 4-month rule. The intent is for the Active Army and the AGR Soldiers to take a record APFT every 6 months. Mission requirements often prevent the even spacing of record tests. Therefore, commanders are encouraged to test Soldiers for record as close to the record test window as possible. Soldiers requiring make-up testing will be scheduled in accordance with the unit Standard Operating Procedures. Soldiers requiring re-testing for an APFT failure will be
scheduled as prescribed in paragraph G–9.m.(6) of this regulation.
Basically, this SM needs to take the APFT or IAW both of these regulations be counseled and flagged until he takes and passes the APFT.
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AR 600-8-2, para 2-3b.
If the Soldier failed to take a scheduled record APFT and does not have a profile or other excused reason, a transferable flag may be imposed.
If the Soldier failed to take a scheduled record APFT and does not have a profile or other excused reason, a transferable flag may be imposed.
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It says that a minimum of 8 months and a maximum if 14 months will separate record APFTs in the USAR, but does not state that a flag will be imposed. You need to go to the Flag AR for that one.
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MSG Pat Colby
Yep, 1SG. Twice a year for AC with a minimum of 4 month separating the APFT's.
In that Appendix there is a reference to a "8 month rule". The Reg does state that those that fail, or fail to take an APFT will be subject to Administrative Actions. The Command could flag the day after the scheduled APFT if they wanted to be jerks (or make a point to the shammers).
Of course there are always the shithouse lawyers that play the Fiscal year vs Calendar year...
I'd say just take the damn thing and get your name off of that "shithead list".
In that Appendix there is a reference to a "8 month rule". The Reg does state that those that fail, or fail to take an APFT will be subject to Administrative Actions. The Command could flag the day after the scheduled APFT if they wanted to be jerks (or make a point to the shammers).
Of course there are always the shithouse lawyers that play the Fiscal year vs Calendar year...
I'd say just take the damn thing and get your name off of that "shithead list".
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