Posted on Jan 8, 2015
Does every MOS/Rate need the same level of fitness? What about an MOS/Rate specific PT test or events?
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I really hope this happens. Not all MOS require the same level of Fitness. I wouldn't use it for an promotion packet against all MOSs as it wouldn't be the same for everyone but I would like to see additional events that address some of the specific tasks that are measures of fitness for some MOSs. For infantry I would add pull ups or even a ruck. If you were a mechanics you might have to be able to hand carry a certain weight over a short distance. I would let senior NCOs in that MOS decide what they would require. The Army should not make every MOS have a different tst. This would impossible. But an example of how this would look is that any one in combat arms or in a combat arms unit would be required to perform pulls and a ruck. If you were in a field medical or medical support unit you may have to do a body drag.
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Be advised. The standard should not be LOWERED. The base APFT with 180 should not be lowered. I think it should be higher. I think it should be especially higher for some areas, such as the combat arms. What this would look like is using the standard test for everyone but adding an additional event. So if you are a soldier that doesn't much physical labor you wouldn't be effected by this. If you were a combat engineer in the 82ND you would be required to a bit more.
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Be advised. The standard should not be LOWERED. The base APFT with 180 should not be lowered. I think it should be higher. I think it should be especially higher for some areas, such as the combat arms. What this would look like is using the standard test for everyone but adding an additional event. So if you are a soldier that doesn't much physical labor you wouldn't be effected by this. If you were a combat engineer in the 82ND you would be required to a bit more.
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There "kind of-sort of" are different standards around the Army, depending on the command. It seems like infantry and other line combat arms units expect much more than a minimum 180 on the APFT. Many Soldiers who served in such units told me they were required to get at least a 270, or they were placed in remedial PT. In most of the combat service support units I served in however, 180 was acceptable but we were encouraged to break a 240. Officers had to achieve 270 if they expected to get a top block OER in my last unit in Okinawa. I imagine that an infantry unit would expect an officer to achieve a minimum of 270 and 300 for a top block.
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Disagree. One test. If they fail - kick them out. If they pass - good for them.
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I think that is just simple of a statement. We should all be competent in our basic soldiering skills but just being good at that isn't enough to make up for not knowing your MOS.
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While we are at it, people who fail basic training should automatically pass now because they participated and we do not want them to get their feelings hurt.
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This is really painful!..... I went to basic training in 1982, wore BDU pants, t-shirt and black leather combat boots for ALL PT and every other thing we did. I was a combat engineer completing the same basic as every other MOS there. There has been nothing but a decline in everything the Army does (most) Someone introduced sneakers, why will we fight in sneakers?? then they put out stress cards in case someone's feeling was hurt. Then they took BDU's away and replaced boots that can look like crap everywhere you go. ACU's did not have to be pressed. Some Asshat General took the Black Beret from the rangers and gave it to everyone! The paperwork now is absolutely ridiculous. I retired in 2013 and miss everything about the Army except everything I mentioned above! (and some politics) We have Navy & Air Force wanting to be equal to the Marines or Army. We want everyone to wear the same uniform. WTH....I agree we waste way to much money on uniform changes. I see the same General say the Army needs better cammo, but the same General was involved and approved the first cammo change and said the same thing! Sorry but We are NOT one entity, the ARMY is the ARMY, The MARINES are the MARINES etc...be proud of the branch you serve in and DO NOT try to be something you are not! Thank you all for your service!
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I don't think are all what you make of them. Uniforms changes. They will always change. I will agree that they ACU-OCP wasn't well thought out. But now we have the ACU-Multicam. I think it is a great uniform and is much better than the BDU. The reason why we have sneakers is that we better understand taking care of our body. It is not for being weak or being soft. It if fore developing the soldier/athlete. We carry much more weight than we used too. But the Army is changing. It will change again soon.
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I think that the basic APFT is correct. Even us repairman had standards to maintain and the APFT is just one of them. I also remember having to do a timed road March while I was stationed in Ft. Bliss.
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That is great you had to do a road much. I just think it should be more challenging than what it is.
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SGT John Wesley
I think that all combat arms troops get enough training thrown at them, that adding graded items would be a detriment .
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This is not a good idea and all the reward you should need is self satisfaction (saw in another coment that it rewards people for accomplishing a higher physical test). And to make a pt test of various levels sounds like individual units are not cutting it with their own pt so big brother has to step in. Either way it's either someone not doing their job by keeping their unit to a higher standard or its someone that is failing themself.
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We already do this we our Special Operations Soldiers. They are held to a higher standard due to their unique mission. Infantry and other Combat Arms MOSs also depend on a higher level of strength. Why not let them.
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Good for you that doesn't mean you need your own pt test. That makes it sound like your either stuck on yourself then or that an officer wants a award for "making some great new thing" thats not necesary.
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My focus is that the current Army APFT really isn't a great measure of fitness for every job. We all know the basics about being a Soldier or Marine. Then we go on to know and train in a field. But we don't really do this with PT.
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The whole mentality of the military is to build a force that embodies teamwork. The whole team should be held to the same standards. Regardless of your MOS, PFT standards should be the same across the board. This ensures fairness with promotions and for those that lay-move. This would be a ridiculous idea - being a Marine, we have the same standards for PFTs across the board - my vote, leave it the way it is!
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You nailed it. One standard for all Marines, right. How are the standards the same for all Marines when some do pull up and some don't. I thought they were all Marines. Isn't that a different standard? Is a female Marine less of a Marine than a male. Shouldn't they be "Regardless of your MOS, PFT standards should be the same across the board."
http://archive.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140127/NEWS/301270047/Marine-Corps-struggles-challenge-making-women-do-pullups
http://archive.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140127/NEWS/301270047/Marine-Corps-struggles-challenge-making-women-do-pullups
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As of this time, female Marines are not in combat MOSs. If and when that happens, all Marines should have the same PFT with the same scores 18 minutes on the 3 miles should be 100 points for both male and female, not 18 minutes for men and 21 minutes for women; as well as 100 points for 20 pull-ups and 100 crunches.
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First off, I think it will be used as a means for soldiers to be lazy. I want to be [insert MOS], because the PT standards are lack. Secondly, for units and platoons that acompass a wide range of jobs it would be hard to do platoon and company level PT with different standards.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
CPT (Join to see) I think that soldier needs to take another look at the 670-1.
Also, it could be worse, he could have scored for a cook.
Also, it could be worse, he could have scored for a cook.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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I'm hoping that wasn't a serious question. Of all the jobs in the miltiary, I doubt anyone would choose the infantry as one of the least physically fit. I would throw my own MOS under the bus in that department before the infantry.
Many of the infantry soldiers I know also have high ASVAB scores and chose theirMOS because they wanted to serve in arguably the best infantry in the world, not because it was the only option available.
I'm hoping that wasn't a serious question. Of all the jobs in the miltiary, I doubt anyone would choose the infantry as one of the least physically fit. I would throw my own MOS under the bus in that department before the infantry.
Many of the infantry soldiers I know also have high ASVAB scores and chose theirMOS because they wanted to serve in arguably the best infantry in the world, not because it was the only option available.
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SGT Kristin Wiley I am joking. I like to think I am pretty smart guy. I have a high enough score I could have done anything I want. But I have seen some dumb ones. But I chose infantry because, just for me, didn't see any reason to do anything else.
I was just trying to be my usually mischievous self.
I was just trying to be my usually mischievous self.
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