Posted on Apr 12, 2015
SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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What are the best arguments for or against the existence of God?

I mean an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent Supreme Being -- the eternally and necessarily extant Creator of the universe.

Atheists, Theists, Agnostics, Polytheists, Pantheists and anyone else are all welcome to weigh in!
I'm not asking what you believe, I'm asking about the best arguments for or against the existence of God.

To clarify omnibenevolence, I mean simply 'perfect goodness,' not "the quality of being kind and generous towards everyone and everything." CH (CPT) (Join to see)
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SPC Dan Goforth
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The fact is, many of the ideas that are called theories which would allow this universe to exist without an external creative force aren't proper theories. They've never been subjected to an experiment in order to determine that they are observably likely true.

A telling failure is the one in which in the last 50+ years, biochemists have been attempting to recreate the protogenesis process by which basic proteins could form amino acids, which could then theoretically be the precursor to DNA and ultimately life. 50+ years, and still no deuterogenesis.

On these two factors alone, true science actually dictates an allowance for an external intelligent creative force.
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SPC Dan Goforth
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I'll even drop this bombshell. Upon reviewing the evidence, I'm a young-earth creationist.
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MSgt Dan Dan So, you're answer to my question is. . ..

P.S. "I'll even drop this bombshell. Upon reviewing the evidence, I'm a young-earth creationist." Almost threw up. That statement made my head spin, sir. That wasn't very nice.
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Answer your OWN QUESTION, SPC (Join to see). What proper scientific theory disproves the existence of OP's god? And if you can't answer that, why do you expect anyone else to answer it?
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Because Atheists ar enot the ones making extraordinary claims, the religious believers are. If you make extraordinary claims, you had better bring some extraordinary evidence to the table. If all you have is your belief, you are out of luck.

Just because you believe something to be true, has never, does not now, nor will it EVER make it true.
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PO2 Corey Ferretti
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To me God is real, if he was not i would not be here today. Two years ago this month i made the decision to end my life. My wife came upstairs and asked if i was okay something told her she needed to ask me that. Since then i have knowen it was God giving me my second chance at life. I have a few other incidents where there is no other explanation then God. My life has not been easy since coming back to my belief but it has been the happiest 2 years of my life.
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Great Q. If we knew the answer for suresies, you wouldn't have to ask. I don't have an argument, I just have faith.
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CPT Barbara Smith
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Faith.
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I believe there is a God.
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SCPO John Croix
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God said "I am that I am" He made the world and all that is in it. He also gives us the power to chose to believe and honor him, or to turn down a different path. Then he sent his son to die on the cross so that the ones that choose the different path can be forgiven, saved, and brought back to the fold.

Now having said that, I believe that discussions of belief or non belief should be kept private and not spread across public discussion boards. Religion is personal and open discussions can lead to animosity and serious disagreements.
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Most anti religious arguments are about "why" or eventually will get there, most arguments against nature are about "how". There is no definitive proof either way; if there was, we would not be having this discussion.
Personally, I have seen too much to believe it's all chance, coincidence and evolution. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in chance, coincidence and evolution, just that they are not in charge.
God has acted before my eyes too many times for me not to believe in Him and glorify Him in every way.
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SSgt Marshall Franklin
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back in 94 I was riding my 10 speed home from base a man that was not legally drunk at that time hit me head on. I spent three weeks in a coma pronounced dead 5 times. my doctors gave me a 30 percent chance to live and if I did live a 20 percent chance of living a normal life.I am glad to say I beat the odds. during those times I was dead because it was my time to die I crossed over and I met family and friends. and then I remember hearing a lot of ways asking me if I wish to stay or return because there's more I have to do on earth my mission was not yet done. I chose to come back. I know in my heart there is a God I heard his voice I go to a lot of pain with that 5 to 10 percent of my brain destroyed. half my memories from childhood and even from the military are gone.there is a lot I can no longer do but I used to be for my accent this is one of the reason why the Air Force kicked me out and no longer being menaly fit worldwide service. I have a very strong testimony that there is a God and he is watching over us anyone us to work on getting along and treating all no matter wath you believe no matter what color you are or anything as if they were your brother or sister. these are the last days and you can see it in the world today.I have felt true love I love from being so powerful that his love for us if it had weight to it would crush us to nothing. so yes there is a God and yes His love for us is pure.
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Sorry to be so late to the party. I really don't like these types of questions, as it pits different views against each other, and at the end of the day, nobody changes their mind or even accepts others points of view. That said...

BLUF: I personally believe in intelligent design and there is some higher power. I also believe religion has more to do with human nature and comfort than actual influence by a spiritual entity on the Earth. Everybody should have the opportunity to choose what works for them.

Understanding how something like the eye works, that if one rod or cone was half a millimeter off the entire thing wouldn't work, I cannot believe it evolved by chance, even over billions of years. If you use a statistical probability test at the 1% level and had evolution as the null, and design as the alternative, I am willing to bet it will come out in the alternative (I did not try to find all the data needed to do this, just my assumption). I believe there was a higher power involved, and evolution was part of the plan from the beginning.

I also believe there is far too much PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that evolution exists in nature, that the Earth is billions of years old, and that continents of Earth were once one large land mass. The thing about science here on Earth (not talking quantum physics dealing with space vacuums) is it has actual proof to back it up.

Religion was formed by ancient humans in order from them to have some understanding of their environment. It became a way to explain why things like death, natural disasters, weather patterns, etc., happened. In time, in became a way for people to cope with stresses, by being able to project it onto something else. This has been done throughout time in the form of offerings and prayer to spiritual beings we (as a human race) believe exist. As societies evolved, so did the societal norms, which included what was considered right and wrong. Looking at the 10 Commandments objectively, you will see 4-10 are basic norms in every society in the common era.

I'm not saying religion, or lack of religion, is a good or bad thing. In my opinion, organized religion has brought on more death, destruction, and division throughout the world than anything other single variable. However, I understand and support that people need something to believe in. They find solace and inner peace in prayer and meditation. They use the teachings of their religions to guide their lives, help them make decisions, and live within social norms.

Your beliefs and how you worship is your individual right and decision, and nobody should say you are wrong, as long as you are living within those societal norms. I believe you will be a more productive member of society if you are able to listen to and understand other's points of view or opinions.
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23 million people throughout history have received the gift of the HOLY GHOST, the very Spirit of God dwelling in a person. How many scientists have witnessed the actual structure of an atom? ZERO
I have 23million witness that can empirically (experience that can be irrefutably reenacted with the same resulting evidence)prove there is a God. Atoms have been studied but there is NO empirical proof of their structure.
I can prove God easier than I can prove science.
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SFC Mark Merino
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SSG (Join to see) - Not even remotely a threat. Agree to disagree and have a nice day everyone. This is why I don't like threads like this. It brings out different beliefs and points different members at each other.
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SFC Mark Merino - Thanks. I appreciate the second opinion.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, WOOO, now that's a doozy right there. So is that an exact figure? is it exactly 23million? You god likes round numbers then? You make a bold claim dear friend, so out of all exactly 23 million witnesses, please provide this peer reviewed evidence from one. I would like to reenact these claims so that I can get the same result.

And to let you in on the info, the structure of an atom was well established back in the 50's. Look up QED, try and grasp it (cause it hurts my head)
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