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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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What are the best arguments for or against the existence of God?

I mean an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent Supreme Being -- the eternally and necessarily extant Creator of the universe.

Atheists, Theists, Agnostics, Polytheists, Pantheists and anyone else are all welcome to weigh in!
I'm not asking what you believe, I'm asking about the best arguments for or against the existence of God.

To clarify omnibenevolence, I mean simply 'perfect goodness,' not "the quality of being kind and generous towards everyone and everything." CH (CPT) (Join to see)
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I do not believe in his existence, I mean look up, do you see him ? I sure dont. I sure hope that that does not make me a horrible person.
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SGT William Howell
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It absolutely does not make you bad person, but you have to have faith in something. Science, a god, family...it helps us cope as humans.
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faith isn't required, mental fortitude to deal with the things life throws your way is required. Everything else gets delt with by using science and reason.
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SGT William Howell
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So where did the Big Bang come from? Where is the start.
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Why does the universe have to have had a start? couldn't it just be a continuos cycle of birth and death?

Just because science doesn't ahve every single answer (yet) does not make science wrong. It just means we have to to keep questioning and discovering.
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PO2 Josh Rymer
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Yes there is a God. But my belief in religion is different. I belive God exists and I know his son came to the earth and was crucified, buried and resurrected, for our sins because he loved us so much. Religion will send you to hell but a relationship with Jesus Christ will get you to heaven. I know that's off topic a little bit but I often do that. I have heard some athiest say that if you can see God then he doesn't exist, but I say you don't have to see the wind to feel it and belive it is there. I mean how could two people get together and make another person? It is by design. That in itself is a miracle. And God has blessed me with 2 and one on the way. And just to think about how she is developing and growing blows myind. And I have heard athiest say well why do you belive? And I will tell you how I came to have a relationship with God. My wife and I had been having trouble for a couple of years, and nothing seemed to go our way. From having to file bankruptcy, to almost getting divorced. And we hardly ever really spoke to each other. But within the same week my wife and I both asked the other to talk. And it wasn't about getting divorced, we had both been feeling something in our hearts that said we can't keep going like this and we needed to change. That next Sunday we went to church and we both listened but we're nervous about going to the alter, and I was sitting there saying God if you'll play one more song I'll go. And I still sat there after the next song was sung. And I said if you'll play amazing grace, I will know you are talking to me. And the preacher was saying this is lingering on for a reason. And my grandma asked my wife if she wanted to go pray about the time amazing grace began playing. And I knew that was the lord way of getting both of us to the alter to pray at the same time. And as I asked the lord to come into my life and clean me up, I was able to breathe better and I was happy for the first time in a long time. And just like the wind I couldn't see him but I felt him and I belive he is there. You may not getting everything you want but he will provide what you need. He is really an awsome God, his grace is when he gives you what you don't deserve, and mercy is when he doesn't give you what you do deserve. Believing is one of the easist thing to do but keeping the faith is harder. But I know I got off topic again but I love all of you and God bless
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SSG Paul Lanciault
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Look around, Look up. All that came from some where, some one, something. Could it have been an accident? A bunch of rocks and balls of gas spinning, orbiting for billions (trillions) of light years for no reason. Look at the human body, plants, insects, all some great big oops? All for no reason. Someone got it all going.
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The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.- Dante Gabriel Rossetti
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This makes no sense.
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I don't understand the quote. When I am thankful for something, I thank whoever is responsible. my wife, a friend/co-worker, and in a few cases I have thanked paramedics and doctors. they showed more appreciation for my thankfulness than the god I prayed to before I became an atheist.
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CPT Kurt Woods
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Many authors to the books of the Bible. They're all consistent. Thousands have witnessed His great works.
It's OK to question His existence. Seeking knowledge is power and suggested in scripture; however, to deny God is blatant foolishness.
You might say "I don't see God." Ok, but you don't see AIR & WIND but I bet you believe in its existence.
There is Good (GOD) & there is Bad (Satan). Good shall persevere!
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Eternity is beyond time. When we have actually entered eternity we will be experiencing part of the communicable attributes of God. Time only makes sense for things which change. In eternity time will no longer affect us, because we as believers are transformed into our eternal bodies which will not change. I have no idea how this will occur or how wonderful it will be to never grow old. Eye has not seen nor mind conceived the wonders that God has prepared for us.
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SSG Toryn Green
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I don't think God exists. I KNOW that God exists! I have personally seen Him work through my life and through the lives of many others. There is no proof. That's what makes it faith. Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and I want period of everything. God did not intend for us to live this way. He intended for us to live by faith, not proof and for Him to work in our lives in His time, not when WE see fit. He knows what's best for our lives and we must allow him to work in His time and according to His plan.
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Asking honestly, if you can't prove to yourself gods exist, yet you feel like you know it, how do you know you're not deluding yourself?
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HOw do you know for a fact that your god did anything? do you ahve any evidence of divine intervention? How do you know that god did not intend for us to live that way? or is that what you believe to be true? Do you speak for all religions or just your own? would the church agree with you on your assertions?
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FN Poppa Phil
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Does God live? The tomb was declared empty, over 500 reported seeing a resericted Jesus, all common in the bible and the Torah. But that was 2000 years ago. Current day, I should be dead, fell 3 stories broke my left collar bone 3 Dobbs on my left side, the left wing of my pelvis was stolen and turned 90 degrees, crushed three vertebra The Dr said I may never walk again . I walk 5 miles per bay every day now,less than 1year after the fall they found lung cancer, I am now a 2 year survivor.Does God exsist?To me yes He has healed my body from my stupid mistakes and gives me peace in my walk with Him. I am sorry that the Church in America has been so short sighted to where we have almost eliminated the love that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost has for all of us. Now is the time to show God's love by loving one another.
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FN Poppa Phil
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I just love auto correct. Seems like if you write such a program them you should be able to spell. 3Dobbs is 3 ribs also my pelvis was broken and turned 90 degrees. Not stolen
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Sgt James Morse
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Okay, so basically the existence of God is proven by the lack of evidence that God exists. Or, at least, that seems to be the gist of most of the “non-believer” responses.

The unfortunate thing is that there is far better evidence for God, than there is against Him.

As a Christian, I have an advantage in this debate. A deist would be limited to works directly attributed to a divine creator; as a Christian I have access to the evidence provided by the historical record of the life and work of Christ. Since the existence of Christ (as Redeemer) pre-supposes the existence of God, Christians have a bit more to bring to the table.

To keep this manageable, I’m going to have to make certain blanket statements, without including specific proofs. It isn’t that the proofs do not exist; all of my research and reference material is currently in storage while my house is being renovated. If I include it, I can prove it, and I will be happy to do so inasmuch as I am able with my currently limited resources.

So, then, on to the argument…

The life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the best-documented of all ancient personalities. The number of documents (numbering well into and beyond ten thousand), as well as the reliability of the sources and corroboration between different authors provide a very solid case for the Gospels.

The archaeological record has yet to turn up any evidence that disproves the Bible, in any capacity. In fact, every year more evidence is unearthed that points directly to the reliability of the Scripture. This is especially evidenced by the Gospel according to Luke; for decades, secular archaeologists insisted that the specificity of the gospel pointed towards its invention. They also claimed that since digs in the regions that Luke describes had, at the time, failed to yield any evidence corroborating the biblical narrative, it must have been mostly , if not completely, fiction. Then, in the 90’s, the two biggest “flaws” in Luke’s Gospel turned out to be exactly as Luke had described them, exactly where Luke said they would be, and dated to the time period that Luke was writing about.

Over 500 Bible prophecies have been literally fulfilled, including the birth, life and crucifixion of Jesus, the razing of the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem, the Babylonian king Cyrus, and Alexander’s siege of the city of Tyre. (The first mention of Alexander in the historical record is a prophecy in the book of Isaiah; the next mention of him doesn’t appear until a couple hundred years after he died.) Jesus Christ, Himself, literally fulfilled over one hundred prophecies made by Old Testament authors. The Bible also prophesies the restoration of the Jews to the Promised Land, which happened in 1948.

Miracles which occurred at the time of Christ’s crucifixion are described by Roman governors as far away as Syria and Spain.

So far, science has failed to disprove the existence of God (although it’s been trying real, real hard for a long time. The origins of the universe, the arrangement of celestial bodies, and the emergence and sustainment of life have been shown, in statistical terms, to be most easily explained by the existence and work of an intelligent Creator. This is something that gets disputed a lot, especially by evolutionists who want to argue that the fossil record proves that we evolved slowly over the course of eons. However, using statistical models, even if (and it is an enormous IF) evolution explained the creation of Man, our planet is much, much, much too young for us to be as evolved as we are, let alone off the beach and walking erect. I’m not going to get into a debate over whether or not Adam and Eve had belly-buttons, or how long it took God to create the world. It’s enough to say that the alternative claims don’t hold up under close scrutiny.

Philosophically, there is little room for any truth that contradicts Intelligent Creation. The existence of Moral Absolutes, the sense that there is a standard of good, and beauty, and righteousness, all point to the existence of a perfectly wise, perfectly holy Creator (God). In the overwhelming majority of the Earth’s population, there is a sense, felt deep in the psyche, that what we do in life has meaning beyond the limits of our present, corporeal lives. If there were no God against whom to compare the things and events in our lives, we would be unable to say, “Oh, this painting is sublime,” or, “This man’s actions are reprehensible,” because we would have no yard stick against which to hold such things. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, it is impossible to know that a stick is crooked, unless we know what a straight stick looks like.

There is an enormous amount of proof that God exists, that Jesus Christ existed and was raised from the tomb, and that there is, in fact, a heaven and hell— to one of which all people will go at the end of their natural life. Considering that I am left somewhat disarmed by my lack of reference, the best I can do at this exact moment is to say, quite confidently, that anyone who claims to have followed “evidence” to the conclusion that there is no God has simply not been diligent in their research. I started out an agnostic, and spent twenty years as a pagan, but the evidence is what eventually convinced me of the existence of God. It was life, and its trials, that finally forced me to my knees to beg forgiveness for my many, many sins, and to carry me when I was too weak to walk on my own. Anecdotally, what I have experienced and seen since that night leaves absolutely no room for argument against that we are all created beings, made in the image of God, and loved by God; that He wants a relationship with us; that He will do everything He can to bring us down the path to salvation; and that He loves us, and grants us the dignity, of choosing for ourselves whether to enter into a relationship with Him, or not.

The gates of hell, it is said, are locked from the inside.

If anyone has a question or argument, I’ll be happy to clarify to the best of my ability. I am a bit reticent to state specifics (such as numbers, dates, etymology, etc.) without access to my materials, but if I cannot give you the information I will probably know where it can be found. I ask only that any replies are respectful, and asked with a sincere desire for an answer; if you have an argument against anything I say or have alluded to, again: be respectful, and present your case with an open mind. It would be tragic if, after having been spoon-fed the one thing that could alter your viewpoint, you refuse to consider it because it runs counter to your current manner of thinking. I will do the same. I recently told another atheist— truthfully— that if they could shake my faith, if they could give me cause to believe that everything I know about Christ is built on insupportable fallacies, I would love to hear it. I really, really miss extra-marital sex and bourbon.

~Allen
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SGT Charles Cameron
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There was a man, a student of The Great Buddha, who asked, "Oh Great Buddha...is there a God?" The Buddha said nothing..." Oh Great Buddha...is there not a God?"...The Buddha said nothing. The student said..."Oh, thank you for your great wisdom!"... and he went away joyfully. Another student, listening, said, " Great Buddha, you said nothing? What kind of answer was that?" The Great Buddha replied, "If I had said, 'yes',
the student would have left "happy"...because of what I had told him. If I had said 'no',
he would have gone away sad. The concept of God is personal, and experiencial...
special to each individual".
The point is, the acknowledge of God...or a creator, is ingrained in our deepest subconscious. All sentient beings know this...even if they cannot explain it...it's there.
Does He exist? For me, I say yes...according to what I have seen and experienced in my life...but that's for you to discover...and decide.
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" The concept of God is personal, and experiencial... special to each individual"." I think that was the point.

"The point is, the acknowledge[ment] of God...or a creator, is ingrained in our deepest subconscious. All sentient beings know this...even if they cannot explain it...it's there." This you tacked on, without rhyme, reason or evidence. But you did make you beliefs clear.
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