Posted on Nov 7, 2013
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Some have criticized the Army as having too much "flair" on their uniforms. Other people are upset that certain schools don't constitute a badge or tab. What are your opinions on this? For example why is there no SNIPER or RECON tab? Or why would there be Rigger or EOD badges when they simply signify MOS?
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SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee
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I think we are getting too badge/medal happy. I have stated before in other discussions that when a PFC with 2 years in service and one deployment has more medals, ribbons, and badges than General of the Army D. Eisenhower, something is wrong. I can understand having MOS or duty specific identification badges that are worn while in that duty assignment (career counselor, instructor, C-JCS, MP badge). But it becomes rather confusing to run into soldiers that have been awarded the instructor badge that then go on top take additional NCOES courses...who is the instructor?
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Capt Richard I P.
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Yes. Too many bangles and badges and ribbons and stripes and flair.
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COL Timothy S.
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I believe the skill badges are fine. Riggers and EOD are not only badges that represent an MOS, the represent mastery of two very difficult skill sets which deal with the very real consequences of death if not done correctly. My chief concern is the seemingly subjective application of certain combat related badges. Case and point: While leading a convoy in Iraq, we were slowing to approach a FOB ECP. My vehicle and the ond behind me came under fire from a shoulder fired SA-7 anti-aircraft missile which passed behind my vehicle and in front of the vehicle behind me, impacted and embedded itself in a sandy berm but failed to detonate. My vehicle took up a n over watch position while the rest of the convoy entered the FOB, but never identified any hostile targets. We applied for but were disapproved for th ed CAB.

Meanwhile, a Blackhawk helicopter on a "taxi" run notices an IED being emplaced, and the crewman engages the targets managing only to scatter the group without taking any return fire. The crew and all those who happened to be on board a passengers apply for and are awarded the CAB.

This is the kind of stuff that renders badges worthless.
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I tend to agree with you, sir. Before I came to aviation, I was Infantry. On my tour to OEF in 2011, I stepped on a PPIED, which partially exploded. I hobbled away with several hairline fractures, was seen by our BN PA, who sent me to Role II at the nearby FOB. After x-rays, medication and a profile, I returned to patrolling with my platoon. No Purple Heart. Meanwhile, some people I knew were awarded Purple Hearts for being close to grenade blasts. Now really, my case was nothing more than poor leadership above my platoon, but still.

Another scenario was the nearby FOB taking mortor fire, and everyone on the FOB almost was awarded the CAB. As a SPC at the time, we had guys that were CIB chasers, and upon returning home, everyone E-6 and above was awarded a Bronze Star. Now, being awarded a Bronze Star used to mean something, not handed out for being a certain rank and deploying.

I believe some of these awards and badges are rightly earned and should be worn with honor and pride. But in recent years, things seem to be getting out of hand.
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SSG Robert Pierce
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I think that Small Group Leaders should be authorized to wear a Instructor badge.
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SSG Genaro Negrete
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I did the basic mountaineering course in Alaska. The hot topic among the instructors was the implementation of the Mountain Tab as a skill tab, not a unit identifying tab. A few NG units on the north east coast have the rams head badge for completing the same POI. Yet that badge is only allowed in about 3 states.

If we made a badge/tab for every school the army offers, we'd run out of space on our uniforms. The Jungle Expert tab is already as long, if not longer, than the SF Tab. Alaska units issue an Arctic Tab. Ultimately, we would end up diluting the whole idea of badges and tabs.

It may even be a political mess to try to lobby for changes. A lot of what we wear is seeped in history. It would have to be a huge shift in overall opinion to add or modify badges and tabs.
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SFC Dan Trude
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I also did that course in alaska in 76 was a great course miss those days, but don't remember a badge or tab for it. doesn't matter now couldn't find it anyhow. you dont need all them tabs or badges to prove to anyone who you are cause you are all that matters.
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Why not a tab or badge for speacilties such as SRT or PSD if you are  an MP and are qualified in these Special skills.  The MP is a Corps of its own and SRT and PSD are no small tasks to accomplish.  Not everyone is cut out to be SRT (Hostage Rescue) or willing to take a bullet for some guy just becasue of thier position or a couple of stars.(PSD)
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CPT Senior Instructor
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It might be because it is not all that special. PSD's are MOS generic and can be composed of any MOS. This is the same for route clearance. You can have Infantry, Cav, Engineers, or some Riggers in MRAPs do the same thing. I really question why everyone wants a cool guy tab. If everyone gets one then we will all be special.
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1SG Corrections Officer
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Correction LT, for the Official PSD and SRT courses at Ft. Lenordwood, MO, you must be a 31B or Branch equivalent MOS. Check it out on ATTRS
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I get to wear my CBRN patch! haha...but who cares? People who have their badges earned it. People who completed the courses without badges got their 1059. As long as everyone is doing their job, then no need to change anything. I think seeing all that chest candy motivates everyone. It motivates me and hope to get an opportunity, someday.
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SSG It Specialist
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I agree with you sir.  Seeing soldiers walking around with badges and tabs motivates me to the max. I don't know how difficult it is to get an opportunity to go to a specialty school in the Reserves, but I have hope and won't hesitate if or when opportunity knocks.
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SPC, it depends on your unit and MOS. I am a 92R and I'm in a good unit so we get slots for air assault, pathfinder, jumpmaster, and a couple others. If it isn't in support of your unit's mission you probably won't get a slot, maybe as a reenlistment incentive.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
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Bryan on office space wears 37 pieces of flair on his uniform. That should motivate anyone in the military to do more.
I do wish there were more badges for all Soldiers that go to special schools. Many people think that Sniper and Recon should have their own tabs. Would like to see a larger variety of badges that one could earn.
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