Posted on Jul 21, 2021
Does unrated time matter on a separation NCOER? Should I fight my rating of being only qualified, since I will be applying for GS positions?
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I am in the process of ETS'ing, and am about to sign my final NCOER. I have a few questions:
1) It is an annual (through date is July, ETS is in OCT) does this unrated time matter at all? Does the fact that I wont have a separation specific NCOER matter?
2) I am being rated 2 of 2, and only qualified. My prior (only one to date) NCOER rated me as highly qualified, and in top 11% of former CO's 25 rated NCO's. Making this a notable drop in performance rating. I don't necessarily agree with this, as I've been performing all duties evaluated in prior NCOER (CBRN predominantly) plus several others (DTMS, Land and Ammo, several other additional duties for both BN and HHD in all areas) have met all tasks required in these areas, have gotten green or gold in seven different CIP inspections across all areas, and conducted 21 different CIP inspections in 6 different areas for the BN. I developed and distributed all necessary trackers/memos/sops to the units to bring them from black to green/gold. I don't really see where I have failed, or didn't exceeded standards in these areas.
I understand/agree with not being ranked higher to some degree, (the other NCO has almost 14 yrs in compared to my 5, and is a career Soldier, whereas I am no longer even in the BN as I'm participating in the career skills program through SFL-TAP and am interning at a safety office during my final 180 days, where I've been getting outstanding performance reviews, but nothing that goes on record.) The other NCO is not only experienced, but highly competent, and has performed all the S3 duties before, so I get it.
I don't agree at all regarding the "qualified" VS "Highly Qualified" drop for reasons listed above. Also of concern, I was never counseled, I never had any guidance on what my shortfalls and areas needing development were, or any plans of action to achieve anything.
I know I CAN fight this, and that I have fair arguments on why this might be a bit of an unfair assessment... Question is; SHOULD I?
I plan on applying for GS positions in safety after my ETS, and want to make sure simply signing off on this evaluation won't be to my detriment.
Thanks for hanging in there. Any advise is much appreciated!
1) It is an annual (through date is July, ETS is in OCT) does this unrated time matter at all? Does the fact that I wont have a separation specific NCOER matter?
2) I am being rated 2 of 2, and only qualified. My prior (only one to date) NCOER rated me as highly qualified, and in top 11% of former CO's 25 rated NCO's. Making this a notable drop in performance rating. I don't necessarily agree with this, as I've been performing all duties evaluated in prior NCOER (CBRN predominantly) plus several others (DTMS, Land and Ammo, several other additional duties for both BN and HHD in all areas) have met all tasks required in these areas, have gotten green or gold in seven different CIP inspections across all areas, and conducted 21 different CIP inspections in 6 different areas for the BN. I developed and distributed all necessary trackers/memos/sops to the units to bring them from black to green/gold. I don't really see where I have failed, or didn't exceeded standards in these areas.
I understand/agree with not being ranked higher to some degree, (the other NCO has almost 14 yrs in compared to my 5, and is a career Soldier, whereas I am no longer even in the BN as I'm participating in the career skills program through SFL-TAP and am interning at a safety office during my final 180 days, where I've been getting outstanding performance reviews, but nothing that goes on record.) The other NCO is not only experienced, but highly competent, and has performed all the S3 duties before, so I get it.
I don't agree at all regarding the "qualified" VS "Highly Qualified" drop for reasons listed above. Also of concern, I was never counseled, I never had any guidance on what my shortfalls and areas needing development were, or any plans of action to achieve anything.
I know I CAN fight this, and that I have fair arguments on why this might be a bit of an unfair assessment... Question is; SHOULD I?
I plan on applying for GS positions in safety after my ETS, and want to make sure simply signing off on this evaluation won't be to my detriment.
Thanks for hanging in there. Any advise is much appreciated!
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You really can't fight your evaluation rating. You were rated as being qualified, your rater doesn't need to counsel you on how you could have done better, you met the standard. Nobody can make your rater change their rating of you. The only thing you could argue is if you have accomplishments that were not included in your accomplishment bullets, you could argue that with your CSM that you are entitled to have those included.
Your unrated time is time you are on permissive TDY for SFLTAP, there is nothing you are doing during that period to be rated for.
Your NCOER only matters to who is reviewing it. You aren't being rated in a promotion board in your civilian job based on your military performance. Your NCOER once you leave is going to be used to show what areas you have experience in and for how long
Your unrated time is time you are on permissive TDY for SFLTAP, there is nothing you are doing during that period to be rated for.
Your NCOER only matters to who is reviewing it. You aren't being rated in a promotion board in your civilian job based on your military performance. Your NCOER once you leave is going to be used to show what areas you have experience in and for how long
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LTC Jason Mackay
The senior rater profile is being saved for someone who needs a MQ rating since there is a profile.
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1. Your unrated time between JUL and OCT will not matter. You need at least 90 days of rated time for an NCOER. If you are taking any transition leave at all, you probably would not have 90 days of rated time between your thru date and ETS.
2. No one will care about your NCOERs, not even in a GS job, unless you had a relief for cause. Unless your hiring manager is a recently retired 1SG, no one will ask to see your NCOERs.
You can talk to your senior rater, because it sounds like there was no senior rater counseling at all. You can ask how they arrived at Qualified.
They might say that you did well for a first year NCO in S3, for the time you were there, but you also had plenty of time away from the office in an internship that should probably be unrated time.
They might even go so far as to admit that their overall assessment of your potential for promotion in the Army (which is what this is) was predicated on the fact that you are getting out and your rated period was filled with SFL-TAP appointments and an internship that took you away from your duties for 6 months, and if you did decide at the last minute to reenlist, that you should spend another 12 months on the job earning a highly or most qualified to compete fairly against your peers for promotion.
2. No one will care about your NCOERs, not even in a GS job, unless you had a relief for cause. Unless your hiring manager is a recently retired 1SG, no one will ask to see your NCOERs.
You can talk to your senior rater, because it sounds like there was no senior rater counseling at all. You can ask how they arrived at Qualified.
They might say that you did well for a first year NCO in S3, for the time you were there, but you also had plenty of time away from the office in an internship that should probably be unrated time.
They might even go so far as to admit that their overall assessment of your potential for promotion in the Army (which is what this is) was predicated on the fact that you are getting out and your rated period was filled with SFL-TAP appointments and an internship that took you away from your duties for 6 months, and if you did decide at the last minute to reenlist, that you should spend another 12 months on the job earning a highly or most qualified to compete fairly against your peers for promotion.
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Thank you SGM, I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective, but that is a very fair point.
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GS jobs will not care about this evaluation. A "bad" military evaluation still states that you did your job.
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