Does White Privilege exist? If so, do you think White Supremacy exists also?

I'm glad we are able to sit and have a discussion. I only made this post to prove a point that no one wants to have an intellectual conversation on a touchy subject. As you can see I'm not coy when it comes to touchy subjects. I just want to see what people who served thinks because I feel as if people who served think entirely differently those who didn't. I appreciate you talking to me and not cursing me out like most who have on here. It just proves my point SN Greg Wright -

SGT (Join to see) - Damn. Looks like I spoke too soon about Florida... http://www.endzonescore.com/the-florida-state-criminoles-are-back-as-jimbo-fisher-appears-to-have-no-control/20372

There is no case to back that up.SGT (Join to see) -

COL (Join to see) - Colonel Roberts, what do you believe the "borderline treasonous liberal agenda" is that is detrimental to the Nation?

I understand what you're saying sir, but the thing is when they call those to protest they are calling those who they feel they have a connection with and that's on the same page as them. Yes they call those to protest and that's just that. They don't call individuals to come out and destroy their own city, that's just crazy.

Those who go out a loot are looking for an excuse to be ignorant and flat out dumb. You and everyone else that say BLM causes people to loot and burn their city is just looking to blame the movement instead of the actions of the individual. That's just like me saying because of one or two individuals in your company gets dui's then the whole company is full of alcoholics. That's also like me saying all cops are racist because the actions of individual cops killing someone in the street.

You don't blame the profession because of the actions of those who don't believe or follow the mission statement. There are those who yell out BLM, but don't follow the mission statement, so guess what they are not true followers of the movement. I'm black, I don't even follow the movement and I see that clear as day. No one wants to see that because of watching a lot of the media and just can't handle to reality behind things. I'm glad we are having a good discussion about this sir. SSG Terry Ward -

SGT (Join to see) - Yes sir in a good debate we all learn something.

SGT (Join to see) - Joshua, I agree and disagree with you. BLM was originally a GOOD movement, with people that wanted to better things for Black Americans. However, through inaction and silence when more militant 'members' started touting the label, they were silent, for whatever reason. And so now, BLM is little more than a radical group calling for violence against whites. They missed their boat every time someone shot a cop in their name, and they said nothing.

Just like hundred of families victims asking people to peacefully protest and they don't. Do that make the victims families bad and responsible for the damage others do? The originators can only say and do so much to influence people to do the right thing. When the majority is fed up with the violence there's really no pursuading the majority. So what can YOU do when no one longer listens. Blame the individuals not the movement. SN Greg Wright -

First off thank you for you comment and sharing your story. Now to get to my point where most people won't get or understand is that when this topic is brought up the first thing that people bring up are themselves and what they had to endure growing up instead of seeing the broader spectrum of this topic.

You have to understand that this country was not made for people of color and this country thrived off of slavery and racism. A black man sell drugs he does hard time, a white man rapes a woman and does 6 months in jail because he's a swimmer. A black man gets pulled over for a traffic stop, old man tries to run because he's scared to go back to jail. Cop chases him and shoots him 6-8 times in the back and gets over on this case. Are you picking up what I'm putting down. It exist, may not have for you growing up, but it exist and when people become non oblivious or gullible to the topic and just see what's been going on for years then we will get somewhere.

SGT (Join to see) - Josh, you have to stop focusing on individual incidents like you are. Sure, there's bad cops who do crappy shit, no one disputes that. But for every one of them there's 10000 NOT doing bad shit. If you cherry pick the news for issues to be passionate about, you're going to be biased, because the NEWS IS BIASED. The news makes a HUGE deal of a white cop killing a black guy. They make nearly NO noise when white cops kill white guys. Just this week, within 60 miles of my house, cops have shot and killed TWO white guys. My guess is that you've never heard about either incident. Because it doesn't create clicks. But the white cop shooting a black guy does create clicks. So while I'm not dismissing the fact that there's bad apples, I'm appealing to your sense of logic to remember that for every one of the bad cops, there's tens of thousands daily who do their jobs professionally and with integrity.

Ok read your first part of your statement and apply it to what I've been saying about BLM. You literally just repeated exactly what I was saying.

In one of my previous comments with another individual I simply said that the news causes the line in the sand. Cops killing innocent people in general is terrible.

A man argued with me that there are more white people getting killed by cops than black. Yes that's true bc whites make up over 60% of the US population, but also that statement alone is the wrong answer. At the end of the day blacks and whites are falling short of life due to trigger happy cops. I'm not being biased at all I was just showing him that issues goes both ways. There are those who work their tail off night and day and still fall short of their definition of success where he says just work hard and it will come. No that's not the case. Until people understand why "War on Drugs" , "Law and Order", "CCA" and "Alec" were created then you will see where I'm coming from. I will repeat this country was not made for people of color and there are ways other than slavery to keep people of color unsuccessful.

Racism exist we got that in the bag, but no one wants to admit that the justice system has some major issues to get fixed. SN Greg Wright -

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This is what I hate about all of these lame arsed discussions: The premise is that because some whites are prejudiced, all must be prejudiced. If some whites have a more privileged life, all whites have privilege. Because some blacks have been killed by white cops, all white cops are "trigger happy goons waiting for a chance to kill off some poor innocent black man". Poor poor Michael Brown was gunned down by a trigger happy cop in Missouri because - innocent black man with his hands up... Horse squeeze! When I was a kid I knew black folks more privileged than I as well as white folks and so on - that didn't mean that I felt they had some sort of an obligation to me - life isn't fair, we don't all start from the same starting line, and we all don't end up at the same finish line. There is no such thing as a right to an equal outcome, you take your chances when you roll the dice.
But for folks like the BLM crowd, all whites owe them something just cuz they are white (and they call ME racist), all black folks deserve to be paid reparations by all white folks - just ignore the fact that not all blacks are descendants of slaves any more than all whites are descendants of slave owners and whatever you do, don't mention the fact that most if not all of the blacks captured in Africa were captured and sold into slavery by blacks in the first place. The fact is that you can go through life one of two ways - determined to succeed and eager to try - or you can spend your life whining and looking for a scapegoat.
Whichever way you roll, you will get no traction from your fellow man sticking your finger in his face and accusing him of being the cause of your ills and claiming he owes you something. The solution to your problems isn't something I owe you, it is something you owe yourself - don't tell me I have to do something to improve race relations when your only contribution to the situation is to accuse me of it.
Whatever else you do, please take the time to look up the definition of racism, the belief that one race is superior to another simply based on skin color. Few of the folks you accuse of racism are in fact actually racist - maybe they just don't like you or your politics. This discussion has no place on this forum, if you can't look at your brothers and sisters of the cloth who have and do serve with you regardless their color, you need to join the rest of the ignorant masses we are here to protect in spite of themselves.
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P.S. Please note that references to you, your, etc. are not necessarily references to a specific person...

Ok where should I start. I don't know what school or college you're talking about that allow people of color to participate in a program even with low test scores because that is just unheard of. Before BET and any other black entertainment came about there was majority white ran television stations that rarely allowed any kind of entertainment for black people. FYI BET twice a year during their awards recognizes white celebrities, poets, athletes, activist, music artists etc. for their accomplishments. I don't see the Grammies doing this as often as the BET awards, but that's irrelevant because if you want to talk about tv and magazines there's definitely a majority of white ran tv stations, magazines, sororities etc than there are black.

Lol more cops kill white people because white people make the majority of the US population which is about 60% where blacks only make up 12%. In America the record of whites killed in america by cops were around 1100 people where for blacks it was over 250 people. Who do you think suffers the most? That shouldn't be the question and by making the statement there are more whites dying by police than blacks is the wrong answer and you and I both know that.

I won't even go into the 60's because I don't think you truly know what's behind the curtain when I say "War on Drugs", "Law and Order", "Alec" and "CCA". So the 60's we can definitely go there if you want.

First to answer your question I have to say that if you are speaking to the two most salient instances in your example the answer is Dylan Roof. Who is an outright racist (white supremacist). However, do not forget about Mark Hughes. In case you forgot Mark Hughes was a black man exercising his right to open carry in Dallas the night that 5 Dallas Police officers were murdered (by a black supremacist). He approached Dallas PD, ARMED, and was not shot to death, even though at that point he was falsely connected to the shooting. You would also be remiss to not address the study performed by the Harvard professor (who happened to be black) that found cops are more likely to shoot a white suspect and physically beat a black one. This finding is profound considering that the interaction with law enforcement between the two races is roughly equal. When someone brings this point up however, they are labeled a racist...even if, like me, you want to see an end to all police brutality and demilitarization of the police as well (there is not a logical reason that I can find for a small town PD to have an MRAP).

Herein lies the difference from what I am interpreting your point of view to be versus my point of view. If one chooses to look at things through a lens of race, racism will appear to be everywhere. In psychology this is called "confirmation bias". I, however, tend to view things through a lens of facts without attributing any baggage to them. My assumption on your point of view stems from the fact that you stated you have never heard of any "black supremacist", and basically poo pooed the notion that they exist. You then, in order to prove your position, bring Dylan Roof into the equation. I do not know of anyone who believes the kid to be anything other than a hateful, murdering-son-of-a-bitch. If you bring Dylan roof into the conversation, you have to bring the Dallas sniper in as well. If you look at all the facts, I think the position that "white privilege" and "white supremacy" being the general rule is completely untenable.

When it all comes down to it I would not hesitate to help someone or laydown my life to save them because of the color of their skin. This is by and large my experience with others as well.

SGT (Join to see) - Then where is the outrage from the black community? I'm good with the point you do not support them but where are the masses in the black community speaking out on this?

SGT (Join to see) - In my earlier reply I missed your comment on the New Black Panther party. It seems as though your answer to that question answered your overarching question...you just have not connected the dots. So to say that "the majority of blacks DO NOT support groups that carry themselves in that manner", but overlook the fact that the majority of whites DO NOT SUPPORT the ideals espoused by the KKK (or any other hate group) is how you get to the premise that "white supremacy" by and large exists in a societal context. I'll go ahead and attempt to shortcut this post (I am keenly aware that my typical response is quite long, and it has to do with the fact that very few things in life are "cut and dry" and I feel as though I would be remiss myself to not fully expound on whatever ideas I am speaking in favor of or out against). The overwhelming majority of people in this country (and most likely the entire world) do not feel as though their race makes them superior to anyone of a different race. I would even venture to say that actual supremacist beliefs fall several standard deviations outside the mean.

If the majority of people (regardless of race) do not hold supremacist views, then any "supremacist" attitude is not going to be societal. As I've stated before...racism is an individual attitude, not the general rule. If you cannot look at the realities of your "race" and apply the same standards to other "races" can you truly say that your views are not tinted through the eyes of racism? The vibe that I now feel is..."Yeah, I have to admit that there are 'black supremacist' since they were point out to me...but since the majority of black people do not feel that way they are irrelevant. However, white people believe in white supremacy inherently (I suppose due to a defect in our DNA), and they perpetuate white supremacy though this hidden faction of alliances that create white privilege."

SSGT Gilmore,

That was a good post, I am black and do agree with you on this. People have to man-up and just do the best we can do without blaming others.