Posted on Sep 18, 2016
Does White Privilege exist? If so, do you think White Supremacy exists also?
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I know I'm probably playing with fire and causing people to be uncomfortable, but I can honestly sit and have this conversation with anyone and not get upset. I just want to know peoples views who served and who is currently serving now. If you don't think any of it exist please explain why. Thanks
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Take 30 seconds and read this response - I'd love to know if you agree or disagree with what I am saying.
This is ridiculous. "Racial Privilege" is just another way for people to make EXCUSES for their current situation. There are so many stories where those who grew up in the worst neighborhoods, with nothing, raised by abusive parents and crime, got out, worked, went to college, and became successful. There are stories of rich and well off people who became failures, drug addicts, and criminals.
"Privilege" has so little bearing any anything. It's how you, as a person, live your life. It's your dedication and determination. Life is not, nor ever will be, fair. Grow up, act like an adult, and make something of your life. There are those living a more successful and meaningful life, who have been handed a much crappier hand than you have. Those without limbs, completing Spartan Races. Quadriplegic amputees who are motivational speakers. Those with ALS at the forefront of physics.
Think about it. Privilege is just another way for the country to spin a pathetic excuse of why their life isn't as as good or successful as others - when in reality, it's because they haven't worked for it - they haven't scarified for it.. They'd rather complain and receive pity than change their ways. When you have young black woman who grew up in the hood with an abusive single parent, who went off and got a college degree, became an Officer, excelled through the ranks, and supported their family along the way - you cannot tell me that "privilege" had any play.
It's those willing to face and conquer adversity that reap the spoils of success - not those who are handed it..
SSG Carlos Madden SPC James Purcell, LCPL SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SN Greg Wright SGM Erik Marquez SSG(P) Chris Erickson COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Kevin B. SN Kevin Neff SGT (Join to see) TSgt Joe C. MSG (Join to see) Capt Seid Waddell
This is ridiculous. "Racial Privilege" is just another way for people to make EXCUSES for their current situation. There are so many stories where those who grew up in the worst neighborhoods, with nothing, raised by abusive parents and crime, got out, worked, went to college, and became successful. There are stories of rich and well off people who became failures, drug addicts, and criminals.
"Privilege" has so little bearing any anything. It's how you, as a person, live your life. It's your dedication and determination. Life is not, nor ever will be, fair. Grow up, act like an adult, and make something of your life. There are those living a more successful and meaningful life, who have been handed a much crappier hand than you have. Those without limbs, completing Spartan Races. Quadriplegic amputees who are motivational speakers. Those with ALS at the forefront of physics.
Think about it. Privilege is just another way for the country to spin a pathetic excuse of why their life isn't as as good or successful as others - when in reality, it's because they haven't worked for it - they haven't scarified for it.. They'd rather complain and receive pity than change their ways. When you have young black woman who grew up in the hood with an abusive single parent, who went off and got a college degree, became an Officer, excelled through the ranks, and supported their family along the way - you cannot tell me that "privilege" had any play.
It's those willing to face and conquer adversity that reap the spoils of success - not those who are handed it..
SSG Carlos Madden SPC James Purcell, LCPL SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SN Greg Wright SGM Erik Marquez SSG(P) Chris Erickson COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Kevin B. SN Kevin Neff SGT (Join to see) TSgt Joe C. MSG (Join to see) Capt Seid Waddell
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SGT James George
TSgt Frank Shirley - Dude, most people here have the same attitude. you better address this comment towards all of us. However, maybe if we are 'generalizing' you could say that there are some that stand a 'harder' road or have 'less' chances to succeed. But I know of myself and my siblings, both of them are screwed up, they had it easier than I did and as a result, took the bad road. however, i did not have it easy just because I was white. I listened to the few basic things I learned growing up, be respectful, believe in yourself and try. Now, how come if a poor shy white boy like me can learn that from a screwed up family,, that nobody else in a screwed up family can? you see, the problem doesnt lie first with the individual who does or does not have the chance, it actually comes first from the environment. Family, close social groups that a young person has around them while developing. Of course there are genetics that will assist in all that, but we are 'generalizing' here, we cant talk about the exceptions, those will always just get us nowhere. I have been preaching for years, the decay of the family is the reason for the way the world has become.
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SPC Ray Shaw
We are all born equal, and it ends there. From that point it is a matter, of environment, and will to succeed. We can all cite stories of those from a privileged background, falling to the lowest depths, and those from the lowest backgrounds becoming exceptional human beings. I find that in the military, and law enforcement, we have a chance to be roll models, and mentors to those who are beginning theirs careers and lives.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
some really good comments, glad to see a level of responsibility with them, there are always exceptions, some here fly off the handle without the slightest provocation, nothing ever gets solved that way, communication is key in life because you can't understand anything unless you gather the facts first and from all perspectives, that involves tolerance and listening and then responding in the proper manner, I get direct in comments that really push my buttons occasionally and always qualify it by saying to not take my remarks personally but with one exception have never gone personal and it was after being badgered, it still does not make it right and I realize that, some don't "seem" to realize it but maybe we don't know enough about their personality and life so we need to consider that as well, I try to use a rule of only saying something here that I would say in person, I learn a lot from watching interactions here and often more than just what the topic is about, best wishes
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PO3 John Wagner
TSgt Frank Shirley - Sgt, you have proven to me in just a few days that an attitude adjustment is in order. I have no patience whatsoever for a members continual abuse of this forum as well as disrespectful or angry return comment to individuals who have made any appropriate outreach to any of your comments, that includes the possibility that you are suffering even combat related emotional difficulties. As to why your participation remains uncurtailed I have no idea.
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I really don't think this is the forum for this conversation. There are many other websites and social media networks to have these conversations. This one isn't the one.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
I think it is a good place to discuss it. I acknowledge my white privilege and what people do not understand when they get offended by it is that there is no need to apologize for it or be defensive. That is not what it is about. I didn't see it until I adopted a black daughter. She gets stoped and her bags searched in the mall. Pulled over more for driving while black. People asked her things like "how does the Chief feel about his daughter bringing "n" to this town". She cannot take off her skin. It's not about wanting an apology it's about opening your eyes and realizing that there is still a problem out there. There are still people that still treat POC less than. As a white person I did not see it before. We need to learn and this is one way to learn that.
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SGT Kevin Leake
SGT Anna Kleinschmidt - It's sad to say that there will always be people that can't see past the smallest of things in order to find a reason to lay judgement on someone.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
SGT Kevin Leake - I am even more sick of people for refusing to acknowledge that racism still exist. Just because you may not actually see it in your little protected bubble of a world doesn't mean that it isn't there. By denying it, they become part of the problem.
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SGT Kevin Leake
True but people must also admit that racism goes both ways it's a bitter truth you just have to look past those that wont change and do what you feel is right.
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I see so many "uncomfortable" with his question. Not sure why it's easier to deflect vs saying yes or no. SGT (Join to see) I applaud you for ASKING a question. I keep saying that it all starts with a dialogue.
Thanks for the tag CPT L S
Thanks for the tag CPT L S
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CPO William A. Bullard Jr.
Well what some see as privilege is seen by others as "privileged earned". the odd thing with privilege is that absolutely no one I have ever met ascribed it to race or mistake of birth, except for the person who supposedly didn't have it. let's examine the founding principles; they were written by white men not sub-Saharan African Princes or Chinese mandarins or Japanese Shoguns. The Catholic Church at this time went on point and formally excommunicated those who owned slaves or promoted the practice. Did some of these white men own slaves yes!!!! undeniable! Did the notion of slavery run counterintuitive to the written principles of many of those same white men? Yes! so much so that we had a fratricidal Civil War that killed almost a 1,000,000 white men fighting over this question to expunge slavery. Was this "white privilege"? You'd have to be dishonest to deny it; but that was then and this is now. The year that president Lincoln issued the Emancipation 1863,sub-Sahara African Princes together with their Muslim collaborators shipped Slaves across the world from Africa, to Istanbul,to Peking and the entire Pacific Rim while "privileged white men" were killing each other this very same question. This was at the same time that the Confederacy's single largest slave owner who was "black" was contributing money to the Confederate war effort; money and business profit doesn't care a thing about color. So is that "black privilege"? I don't know. What i have sen described as white privilege I rather think is jealousy, envy, a
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CPO William A. Bullard Jr.
greed. We have come too far to have this dissolve over some perceived notions of "white privilege" because those who advance this notion in the end marginalize and trivialize the accomplishments of great patriots who were black. this is a good time since this election though that black people generally and women in particular sit down and hold a very serious internal dialogue just about hat in particularly that it is that they went to represent them because so far Obama, Clinton, Jackson, Sharpton Farrakhan, BLM, Gloria Steine Van Jones and the like keep seeming to pop up. Obama mouthing that people were against him because he was "black" is just another way of putting on a white sheet and saying to "...vote for me because I'm white...". The white guys can't do this for you you have to do it yourself because so far what we've seen isn't really too good, especially when a great American such as Associate justice Thomas or Dr. Condoleeza Rice are called "white", but then again I guess that's"white privilege". if it is there is something seriously wrong with the lack of thinking that promotes that.
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SGT Linda Moss
many people are so tied up over all the PC stuff that they hesitated to answer how they feel.
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