Posted on Sep 18, 2016
Does White Privilege exist? If so, do you think White Supremacy exists also?
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I know I'm probably playing with fire and causing people to be uncomfortable, but I can honestly sit and have this conversation with anyone and not get upset. I just want to know peoples views who served and who is currently serving now. If you don't think any of it exist please explain why. Thanks
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I YouTube, I go in to interviews, I work for a small corporation, I hang out at a cigar lounge sometimes. Yes, I believe I see and hear white privilege. It's sad, but racism is somewhat systemic in that culture. (As I'm sure it's in other cultures ). I used to be a sales rep for several companies, and I've walked in to an establishment at the same time with a big white guy, and have noticed that the manager or owner gives them the attention right off the get go, even when they were representing a competitive company. Attitude, body language, condescending tone gives it away. And I'm sure they don't know what I'm talking about.
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Sgt Heriberto Salinas
Some important factors you are leaving out about the issue from the legal / Illegal immigrant status, is that a lot of these immigrants either find the work Visa paperwork too tedious which takes too long to wait for, or fear of reprisal when they find a criminal has been using their name to get across the border. I don't know if you have a common name, but I have friends who cannot travel abroad because they share the same as a criminal that the FBI are looking for. (White, Black, Hispanic, Iranian...) It just seems to be easier to come across Illegally than to pay an attorney an exuberant amount of money to clear your name and that probably won't show any results. (You've probably heard) 2) Crime and violence might be rampant in certain communities not groups. 3) and not to continue to complain, but I've worked for too many WHITE bosses to were they have given the benefit of the doubt to the white guy in most situations to convince me otherwise...I most certainly don't want to personalize it, but I see what see, and discern what I hear.
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I feel that the military is a great place for all races to prove themselves. Wonderful chance to work and study hard and show your stuff. I used the military to go to college (NROTC), learn to fly (Naval Aviator) and become a Naval Dental Specialist (Periodontist). I do not believe in White Privilege, an excuse for not giving your best.
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I would have to say that "White Privilege" doesn't exist simply by saying if you don't work you don't eat. In the capitalist economy we have there is only one color, green. Saying someone has "White Privilege" is just an excuse for being lazy and not applying yourself to better your situation, whether financially or physically.
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"Some".... I start with the word "Some". I think White privilege and White supremacy exists among those who practice it. As an African-American man who has experienced the damaging effects of both I can tell you that if it were not for my many White friends and family members who support me and practice brotherhood I would not be able to prosper in the United States of America or stay here. People who believe and subconsciously and/or consciously practice White privilege and supremacy know within themselves who they are and why they do it. It is hard sometimes, I believe, to escape racism but this doesn't mean it is impossible. I always try to use the word "Some" in everything that should be quantified as "Some". Some people are racists and some are not. I think if all African-Americans were to leave the USA Racism would still exist and even in a completely White society (all one needs to reference is how Italians and Irish people were treated when started arriving at Ellis Island). I also think that if African-Americans were to move to a predominantly Black country or Continent that the people there would find a reason to discriminate against them. With this I also think that people who practice privilege and discrimination would find a way to do so in a completely homogeneous society. That is, White people who carry this belief system would treat other White people who are a little different than the majority worse than themselves. Other Races would do the same. This does not diminish the unique situation that the USA is in. African-Americans have made significant contributions to the USA and the World. I would challenge anyone who carries a belief system that accommodates racism to completely remove from their life any good contribution that African-Americans have made that benefits them. They would need to alleviate from their lives any contribution a Black person has made in Medicine (open heart surgery - Dr. Daniel Hale or Polio Vaccine - Dr. Jonas Salk for instance), Science, Space, Sports, Entertainment, Literature, Politics, Law, and the list goes on. If one were to do this and do it well they'd be living in pre-historic times. I would also challenge any person who carries such a belief system to learn from themselves if they still would carry such a belief system after living homogenously for a few years. They would see that they too are susceptible to the same prejudices from people who refuse to use and practice the power of "Some"
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Yes there are children who have privilege. Obamas daughters and Trump children. But to lump all whites into it is asinine.
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There was a time that I would say no, but my views changed drastically when we adopted a black teenaged daughter. I could go to the mall with her and her friends and I would hang back a few steps. I have never been stopped like they have by mall security to search bags. Not when I was a teen! That was when I first noticed it. Her grand father was chief of police when she lived with us. He retired shortly after she left for college. She was home visiting to bring her boyfriend to meet us and they had taken us out to dinner. We live in an up scale neighborhood, the police had started following us as soon as we got into town. Her boyfriend was driving and had the window down the police followed and stopped him just a few houses from ours. The windows were up and tinted in the back so he couldn't see me and her dad at first, but as he approached the car he asked him if he was lost. He said no he knew exactly where he was going. And the policeman said well we have had several robberies in this neighborhood and that is when I leaned forward and cut him off and said they are taking us home. He immediately apologized and let us leave. That is privlige!
I never realized it before. I can walk amoung the biggots and racists and not be noticed. My daughter wears her skin it doesn't was off it is who she is and it makes her a target to those who still see POC as less. You may think that that is history but it isn't. This election has brought out many that still hate people because of the color of their skin.
I never realized it before. I can walk amoung the biggots and racists and not be noticed. My daughter wears her skin it doesn't was off it is who she is and it makes her a target to those who still see POC as less. You may think that that is history but it isn't. This election has brought out many that still hate people because of the color of their skin.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
MSgt Terry Swift - I do see your point tho a degree but you can't just pull someone over or ask someone to serch their bags without cause, and color is not cause. If he was speeding or if she was acting suspicious in the store yes it would be justified but not just to stop for no reason other to ask if they were lost. That is infringing on their civil rights it is the same way stop and frisk was determined to be. We live in rural Arkansas right in the middle of kkk country so this is not a suprise. When I was in college in my 20's we still had sundown towns here, ours is kid of known as having been one.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
MSgt Terry Swift - I was in the back seat. With the exception of my children it was an all white town at the time. We had driven the kids to the next town to take them to school, they had been through enough they didn't need to intergrate. There had been a 9 year old mixed girl who's family had a short stay in town. A few of the moms came to me obviously not knowing who I was trying to get me to go with them in saying she was trying to sell drugs to my children. I went straight to the principal and my father who was chief of police at the time and her parents and we all had a talk. They decided to send her to a more diverse school district too. And they quickly moved. My father was chief of police there and had retired. He had told the mayor not to bring in the guy they hired as the new chief, that he did have a bad reputation and dad had been working on stoping that crap. They hired him anyway and the guys that worked under dad quit quickly and he hired a bunch of ass holes as my brother who is a deputy sheriff says. And you bet I reported the incident. I have never and will never be the one to sit back and watch someone abuse their power over someone else. I also s got an article 15 in the Army doing that but then I ended up getting an arcom because I ended up avoiding an international incident by disobeying a direct order. But the new chief ended up over that and a few other incidents getting fired and the new chief is a good fair man and we still have KKK here but we have a small amount of divirsity moving in.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
MSgt Terry Swift - That was my initial point. Until I have a daughter with black skin I did not understand the concept of white privilege. The all of the sudden my eves were opened and I was able to see the world through her eyes too. I am also able to see the world through the eyes of a LEO. I have grown up in a family full of them. I have been to many funerals I have heard too many end of watch calls. I know that world too. I can remember as a child if my dad left without giving me a hug and a kiss my mom couldn't get me to go to bed at night, having to get my dad to come back home so I my 4 year old self would go to bed. That and my dad pulling his best friend out of a tire after being murdered while investegating a missing person are my 2 earliest memories. I remember being in a class in Houston this summer hearing that a sheriffs deputy was shot from my brother dept was shot but no name was given. I knew this was bad so I called my sister in law and we waited to find out who it was over the phone to find out it had been his partener Coop and he didn't make it. I watched my 8 year old nephew fall apart because Coop was like his grandfather, Coop was going to retire in 2 months and just had a newborn granddaughter. He was a part of all of our family. I can see and empathize with both sides. I also know that hate brings on more hate and I understand the fear that is where I believe we are at this point. Fear is getting good honest people on both side killed and fear is causing good honest people to kill. That being said there is still pure hate that is learned, taught since birth. Bred into a family into a group for generations it is an insidious form that has spread into the rest of society in the form of fear and we are now in a vicious circle that without someone standing up and people actually listing on both sides stop and reset. We need more community outreach something my dads dept and the current chief does, but all departments should do. The more a part of the community the LEO's are seen as good the better they can control a negative situation with a member of the community without fear. My father had retired from a police force that was in a very diverse city before he moved to his hometown to become chief. That is the city I grew up in. One thing I can say is that my father was known by everyone to be big scary looking red headed m policeman ( he was 6'6') but fair and had a kind heart. He took care of you no mater who you were. If he saw anything that was worth saving about you he tried to help you, no mater what your crime. I still get people that message me on Facebook that are complete strangers that aske me if I know him. Now I think they are talking about my brother but find out they are talking about him. Either from the days he moonlighted at the skating rink on fridays or because he arrested them and helped them get straight. I was even contacted by a grandmother wanting me to adopt her granddaughter in foster care because she had watched me grow up in pictures on dads desk and knew if he rased me I must be a good person. As a white person I am nervous when a police care is behind me an more nervous when I get pulled over. I am afraid of a ticket. A black person is afraid that they will have a racist cop that will overact and kill them. They may reflect this in their language or they may have been pulled over for no reason at all and be frustrated. The LEO is always or should be on alert for his life in every situation but has to be careful in when they react. They approach every traffic stop as a potential deadly situation. Some are young and too jumpy and act too quickly some escalate a situation this is a sign of lack of continued training in their department. And then some are cocky and are in it to exert power over others and some are very racist and seize the opportunity. And on occasion some are justified. It is getting increasing difficult to determine what is justified and what is not. There is increasing vidieo evidence that there has not been as many justified actions as believed before. But as a nurse it is mandated that I receive so many hours of continuing education to stay a nurse. Even though I am retired I still matain this. As a LEO this should be mandated in every department. Because this is only making it less safe for good people on both sides and it's only getting worse. More policing is not the answer more education and community outreach is. Sorry about the ramble trying to do several things at once.
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