Posted on Nov 17, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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If you are an enlisted Soldier complaining about how much officers earn, you have choices...get an education and/or apply for a commissioning program (i.e., OCS, West Point, ROTC, etc)<br><br>Also, if you're complaining about an officers pay, are you really serving for the right reasons? &nbsp;Public service was never meant for someone to get rich from.<br>
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SSG Robert Burns
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I think the pay scale is fine. &nbsp;I do believe however that there should be a road to commissioning that doesn't include a degree. &nbsp;I think years of demonstrated performance and leadership should weigh more than completing an arbitrary degree in whatever field.
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LTC Jason Bartlett
LTC Jason Bartlett
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The army messed up when they changed the requirements to go to OCS especially for combat arms Soldiers. I would like to see the requirement go back to 90 hours. 
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SSgt Gregory Guina
SSgt Gregory Guina
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I don't know about the Navy but in the Marine Corps LDO's are drawn from the CWO3 population (promoted to Capt from CWO3). They are however limitied in what positions they can hold and can only go up to LtCol I believe.
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SSG Operations
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Nothinbg wrong with that (retiring as a LTC)
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MSG Quick,

 

Coming from an enlisted background before I became an officer, I couldn't agree with you more. When I was putting together my Green to Gold Packet, nobody had as much interest in my career except for me. There were times when I was going through the application process that I was presented with nearly impossible deadlines on documents needed for my packet. But I didn't quit at the first sign of resistance. Looking back, I view, that as the first test of being an officer. Officers are supposed to think on their own without nobody telling them unsolicited advice. So, to all those that aspire to become an officer, I say to you: You have to be your best advocate!

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SGM Matthew Quick
SGM Matthew Quick
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Some of our best officers/leaders were prior enlisted...they have a universal perspective on leadership.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I felt the same way about the Green to Gold program!  The whole application process - paperwork, forms, deadlines, loop backs, etc - WAS the test to see whether you had what it took to navigate the bureaucratic system well enough to be an officer!  Future Green to Gold applicants should have to submit some kind of Powerpoint Slideshow as well.
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CPT Marc Serrá
CPT Marc Serrá
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Argh...that process was truly horrid...and very productive in proving you had what it takes.
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CPT Battery Commander
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I can't speak for the green to gold process but the OCS packet wasn't too bad. Not a cake walk either. I believe they purposely do not give much guidance on assembling the packet to test your resolve. When assembling the green to hold packet I noticed the communication with the school and the coordinating the application process looked tedious. Of course I didn't end up going that route so I can't speak from experience.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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Job compensation (pay), whether in the public or private sector, is based upon several factors. Pay level can be defined as "the relative position or an organization's pay incentives in comparison with those of other organizations in the same industry employing similar kinds of workers". Meanwhile, organizations arrange jobs into categories reflecting their relative importance to the organization and its goals, level of skill required, and other characteristics. Using these two definitions, let's look at the characteristic differences between officers and enlisted including but not limited to: education, responsibility, authority. Officers are required to have higher degrees, enlisted are not. Officers have command responsibilities, most enlisted do not but for some seniors NCOs in command positions such as NCOA Commandants. Officers have authorities granted by UCMJ, law and regulation that enlisted do not. These differences are reflected in the respective pay scales. My main argument is that military compensation follows the same protocols that are used in the private sector. If a person wants more pay then generally they need to seek out more education, more responsibility, and more authority.
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