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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.
Trump's comments are likely to roil the Republican presidential race, forcing many of his opponents for the nomination to engage in a debate over whether there should be a religious test to enter America.
But his proposal was met with enthusiasm by many of his supporters, who showed their approval via social media as well as at his rally on Monday night.
"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is," said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Moreover, the Muslim travel ban will likely do little to dent Trump's own popularity among Republican primary voters. The billionaire businessman has dominated the GOP contest for months despite repeated controversies that would likely sink other White House hopefuls.
"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
Trump's campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. Critics have questioned the reliability of the organization's information. It also pointed to a Pew Research poll, which the campaign declined to identify, which the campaign claimed points to "great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.
"I have Muslim friends, Greta, and they're wonderful people. But there's a tremendous section and cross-section of Muslims living in our country who have tremendous animosity," he told Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren. "It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant."
Obama administration condemns proposal
Obama's deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes reacted to Trump's call Monday on CNN, calling it "totally contrary to our values as Americans" and pointed to the Bill of Rights' protection of freedom of religion and pointing to the "extraordinary contributions" Muslim Americans have made to the U.S.
"But it's also contrary to our security," Rhodes told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "The fact of the matter is ISIL wants to frame this as a war between the United States and Islam, and if we look like we're applying religious tests to who comes into this country, we're sending a message that essentially we're embracing that frame and that is going to make it very difficult to partner with Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world to prevent the scourge of radicalization that we should be focused on."
"We should make it harder for ISIL to portray this as a war between the United States and Islam, not easier," Rhodes added, using another acronym for ISIS, the radical Islamist group that controls swaths of Syria and Iraq and has called for terror attacks against the U.S.
Trump has beat back criticism in recent weeks that he is bigoted against Muslims, even telling CNN on Saturday when asked whether Muslims pose a danger to the U.S. that he thinks Muslims "are great people."
"I love the Muslims. I think they're great people," Trump told CNN in September.
And when he became tied to the idea of creating a database of all Muslims living in the U.S., Trump sought to distance himself from that proposal -- insisting that the idea was a reporter's and he was not committed to it.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, speaking to members of the Muslim community earlier in the afternoon, echoed the President's sentiment on Sunday warning against divisiveness.
"Bitterness grows out of hopelessness, and there is no hopelessness in this situation, however uncomfortable and menacing it may be at times," he said. "Faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of the Nation as a whole has always been stronger than the impulse to despair"
Republicans react
It didn't take long for the rest of the Republican presidential primary field to repudiate Trump's call.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie slammed Trump's proposal in a radio interview.
"This is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they are talking about. We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we," Christie said on the Michael Medved radio show. "What we need to do is to increase our intelligence activities. We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized."
And South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham called on every presidential candidate to "do the right thing & condemn @Realdonaldtrump's statement."
Graham later told CNN that Trump's rhetoric "is putting our troops serving abroad and our diplomats at risk."
"For interpreters and others risking their lives abroad to help America -- this is a death sentence," Graham said.
Graham just returned from a trip to visit troops in the Middle East and said from troops and allies there expressed concerns over Trump's rhetoric.
Graham said he assured them that Trump is in the minority, but Graham said Monday Trump's latest proposal makes it harder to convince them of that.
Another GOP presidential contender, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said, "That is not my policy."
"I have introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or al Qaeda control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that is where the threat is coming from," Cruz said as he was leaving a South Carolina field office.
In a statement, Ohio Gov. John Kasich said, "This is just more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath and another reason why he is entirely unsuited to lead the United States."
And former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted that Trump is "unhinged."
"Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious," he said.
Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson also said is opposed to placing a religious test on U.S. visitors.
"Everyone visiting our country should register and be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries. I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion," he said in a statement.
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's campaign did not explicitly refute Trump's proposal.
"Sen. Rand Paul has led on the issue of border security, proposing real solutions. That's why earlier this month he introduced legislation to block visitors and immigrants from nations with known radical elements while a new system is developed to screen properly," said Sergio Gor, Paul's communications director, in a statement.
Former tech CEO Carly Fiorina said Trump's "overreaction" is as bad as Obama's "under reaction."
"President Obama isn't prepared to do anything, which is clearly foolish, but Donald Trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. And saying we're not going to let a single Muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction," she said during a gaggle with reporters in Waterloo, Iowa.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he disagrees with Trump.
"(Trump's) habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring Americans together. The next president better be somebody who can unite our country to face the great challenges of the 21st Century," he said in a statement.
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore tweeted, "Trump's fascist talk drives all minorities from GOP."
And former Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, said such a policy goes against the spirit of America.
"This whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he said. "I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from."
Democrats slam Trump
Democrats were quick to condemn Trump's call, with two of the three Democratic presidential candidates calling Trump a "demagogue."
".@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue," tweeted Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley, the former governor of Maryland.
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont also slammed Trump as a demagogue and suggested Trump's rhetoric would make the U.S. weaker.
"Demagogues throughout our history have attempted to divide us based on race, gender, sexual orientation or country of origin. Now, Trump and others want us to hate all Muslims. The United States is a great nation when we stand together. We are a weak nation when we allow racism and xenophobia to divide us," Sanders said in a statement.
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in a signed message, tweeted, "This is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. @RealDonaldTrump, you don't get it. This makes us less safe. -H"
And the Democratic National Committee sought to align the GOP as a whole alongside Trump.
"Donald Trump is indeed a 'net positive' for the Republican Party -- as their chairman called him -- because he shows America what the Republican Party really stands for with his rhetoric that only helps enemies like ISIL/Daesh to recruit extremists," said DNC spokeswoman Christina Freundlich.
Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.
Trump's comments are likely to roil the Republican presidential race, forcing many of his opponents for the nomination to engage in a debate over whether there should be a religious test to enter America.
But his proposal was met with enthusiasm by many of his supporters, who showed their approval via social media as well as at his rally on Monday night.
"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is," said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Moreover, the Muslim travel ban will likely do little to dent Trump's own popularity among Republican primary voters. The billionaire businessman has dominated the GOP contest for months despite repeated controversies that would likely sink other White House hopefuls.
"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
Trump's campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. Critics have questioned the reliability of the organization's information. It also pointed to a Pew Research poll, which the campaign declined to identify, which the campaign claimed points to "great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.
"I have Muslim friends, Greta, and they're wonderful people. But there's a tremendous section and cross-section of Muslims living in our country who have tremendous animosity," he told Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren. "It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant."
Obama administration condemns proposal
Obama's deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes reacted to Trump's call Monday on CNN, calling it "totally contrary to our values as Americans" and pointed to the Bill of Rights' protection of freedom of religion and pointing to the "extraordinary contributions" Muslim Americans have made to the U.S.
"But it's also contrary to our security," Rhodes told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "The fact of the matter is ISIL wants to frame this as a war between the United States and Islam, and if we look like we're applying religious tests to who comes into this country, we're sending a message that essentially we're embracing that frame and that is going to make it very difficult to partner with Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world to prevent the scourge of radicalization that we should be focused on."
"We should make it harder for ISIL to portray this as a war between the United States and Islam, not easier," Rhodes added, using another acronym for ISIS, the radical Islamist group that controls swaths of Syria and Iraq and has called for terror attacks against the U.S.
Trump has beat back criticism in recent weeks that he is bigoted against Muslims, even telling CNN on Saturday when asked whether Muslims pose a danger to the U.S. that he thinks Muslims "are great people."
"I love the Muslims. I think they're great people," Trump told CNN in September.
And when he became tied to the idea of creating a database of all Muslims living in the U.S., Trump sought to distance himself from that proposal -- insisting that the idea was a reporter's and he was not committed to it.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, speaking to members of the Muslim community earlier in the afternoon, echoed the President's sentiment on Sunday warning against divisiveness.
"Bitterness grows out of hopelessness, and there is no hopelessness in this situation, however uncomfortable and menacing it may be at times," he said. "Faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of the Nation as a whole has always been stronger than the impulse to despair"
Republicans react
It didn't take long for the rest of the Republican presidential primary field to repudiate Trump's call.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie slammed Trump's proposal in a radio interview.
"This is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they are talking about. We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we," Christie said on the Michael Medved radio show. "What we need to do is to increase our intelligence activities. We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized."
And South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham called on every presidential candidate to "do the right thing & condemn @Realdonaldtrump's statement."
Graham later told CNN that Trump's rhetoric "is putting our troops serving abroad and our diplomats at risk."
"For interpreters and others risking their lives abroad to help America -- this is a death sentence," Graham said.
Graham just returned from a trip to visit troops in the Middle East and said from troops and allies there expressed concerns over Trump's rhetoric.
Graham said he assured them that Trump is in the minority, but Graham said Monday Trump's latest proposal makes it harder to convince them of that.
Another GOP presidential contender, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said, "That is not my policy."
"I have introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or al Qaeda control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that is where the threat is coming from," Cruz said as he was leaving a South Carolina field office.
In a statement, Ohio Gov. John Kasich said, "This is just more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath and another reason why he is entirely unsuited to lead the United States."
And former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted that Trump is "unhinged."
"Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious," he said.
Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson also said is opposed to placing a religious test on U.S. visitors.
"Everyone visiting our country should register and be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries. I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion," he said in a statement.
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's campaign did not explicitly refute Trump's proposal.
"Sen. Rand Paul has led on the issue of border security, proposing real solutions. That's why earlier this month he introduced legislation to block visitors and immigrants from nations with known radical elements while a new system is developed to screen properly," said Sergio Gor, Paul's communications director, in a statement.
Former tech CEO Carly Fiorina said Trump's "overreaction" is as bad as Obama's "under reaction."
"President Obama isn't prepared to do anything, which is clearly foolish, but Donald Trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. And saying we're not going to let a single Muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction," she said during a gaggle with reporters in Waterloo, Iowa.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he disagrees with Trump.
"(Trump's) habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring Americans together. The next president better be somebody who can unite our country to face the great challenges of the 21st Century," he said in a statement.
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore tweeted, "Trump's fascist talk drives all minorities from GOP."
And former Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, said such a policy goes against the spirit of America.
"This whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he said. "I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from."
Democrats slam Trump
Democrats were quick to condemn Trump's call, with two of the three Democratic presidential candidates calling Trump a "demagogue."
".@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue," tweeted Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley, the former governor of Maryland.
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont also slammed Trump as a demagogue and suggested Trump's rhetoric would make the U.S. weaker.
"Demagogues throughout our history have attempted to divide us based on race, gender, sexual orientation or country of origin. Now, Trump and others want us to hate all Muslims. The United States is a great nation when we stand together. We are a weak nation when we allow racism and xenophobia to divide us," Sanders said in a statement.
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in a signed message, tweeted, "This is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. @RealDonaldTrump, you don't get it. This makes us less safe. -H"
And the Democratic National Committee sought to align the GOP as a whole alongside Trump.
"Donald Trump is indeed a 'net positive' for the Republican Party -- as their chairman called him -- because he shows America what the Republican Party really stands for with his rhetoric that only helps enemies like ISIL/Daesh to recruit extremists," said DNC spokeswoman Christina Freundlich.
Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
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How many citizens from the Central Powers did Wilson permit to immigrate to this country during WWI? How many citizens of the Axis Powers did FDR permit to immigrate to this country during WWII? Did either of these two lecture the American people about needing to be more tolerant and understanding of the ideological systems of these nations or praise their accomplishments or blame America for them being at war with us?
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Trump's call to ban all Muslim immigration including visits to the US for any and all reasons reflects American's growing fear of the terrorism they might bring, but is that the role of a leader? I know that it's hard to remember what a real leader looks like since we haven't had one in Washington for many years. Shouldn't a leader provide us with a vision for safeguarding the nation, build a consensus behind that vision, and then oversee its implementation? I'm tempted to hearken back to the days of FDR when he told us that "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself", but isn't he the President who also had the Japanese interned during WWII. Sounds a lot like the course of action that Trump might follow. To be realistic, even if you could completely stop all Muslim immigration and visits from Muslim nations, our enemies have plenty of candidates already here to radicalize.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
That often repeated quote by FDR came from his first Inaugural Address years before WWII and he was talking about the economy and the Great Depression, not the Japanese or the Germans. His opinions might have been different ten years later and his actions seem to indicate that they were.
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PO1 Dean Chapman - That don't mean it is right or it is ok to do. :) Never use someone else action to justify one own action. :)
Trump has his own valid points, so does the other side.
Trump has his own valid points, so does the other side.
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PO1 Dean Chapman - I am not arguing legally, and I am not saying he can't do that. I know Islam enough, I lived half of my life under their oppression, so you don't need to convince me that Islam has a deadly problem.
But shutting down Muslim from coming here completely, will mean death to some of them. But then why we don't allow Christian to come over?? ... All I am saying, we need to put in far stricter control on how they come here and who are those Muslim.
But shutting down Muslim from coming here completely, will mean death to some of them. But then why we don't allow Christian to come over?? ... All I am saying, we need to put in far stricter control on how they come here and who are those Muslim.
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PO1 Dean Chapman - Yes, their problem will continue, until they need to go through what Christian gone through.
STOPPING is the point. so how are we going to do that? how about Muslim from other countries? So does that mean anyone from "Muslim" countries can't come here too? You see what I am going with? You can't separate they are Muslim or not anyway, and they can "pretend" too. So how do that goes? Because I "escaped" from a Muslim country ... I know how does that feel when hearing someone going to shut the door completely. We are the last hope ... never forget that. We are the last hope ...
STOPPING is the point. so how are we going to do that? how about Muslim from other countries? So does that mean anyone from "Muslim" countries can't come here too? You see what I am going with? You can't separate they are Muslim or not anyway, and they can "pretend" too. So how do that goes? Because I "escaped" from a Muslim country ... I know how does that feel when hearing someone going to shut the door completely. We are the last hope ... never forget that. We are the last hope ...
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He is nothing but a reincarnation of Hitler. Hitler used the Jews as scapegoat for their economy. In turn, Trump blames the Muslims, Blacks, Mexican, etc for being murderers, rapist. terrorists, etc. I have many friends that are those ethnicity including Caucasians. There is no place for hate in my body. I simply love everyone including those that seems to belittle me for no reason. I'm not always about race wars and shit.
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How does one know when someone's a Muslim? You'd have to ask, as there are no genetic tests that will identify a religious affiliation.
How does one know if someone's a terrorist?
See the problem?
Or do we just want to stop letting "brown" people in?
You know in the Soldier's Creed, when we swear to defend the "American way of life"? That's not it. We cede our moral authority--FURTHER cede--any moral authority we may still have when we accept this sort of rhetoric.
Further, if you've ever been the the Holocaust Museum in D.C., and studied the narrative that led to the Holocaust, Jews were turned away by numerous countries, only to have to eventually return to Germany, and the results were staggeringly bad. When people look back at my generation, I don't want that on my resume.
I'd rather err on the side of mercy and justice than to hide behind a false veneer of security.
How does one know if someone's a terrorist?
See the problem?
Or do we just want to stop letting "brown" people in?
You know in the Soldier's Creed, when we swear to defend the "American way of life"? That's not it. We cede our moral authority--FURTHER cede--any moral authority we may still have when we accept this sort of rhetoric.
Further, if you've ever been the the Holocaust Museum in D.C., and studied the narrative that led to the Holocaust, Jews were turned away by numerous countries, only to have to eventually return to Germany, and the results were staggeringly bad. When people look back at my generation, I don't want that on my resume.
I'd rather err on the side of mercy and justice than to hide behind a false veneer of security.
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Hey, this is for all you "fans of the ban." A few things to consider. 58 million visitors of year fly to Orlando from Europe, the Middle East and Africa. If half of them are the dreaded Muslims, how much revenue will Disney and Orlando lose given each one of them drops about $500 a day (per person) vice $125 by Americans like Honey Boo Boo. Saudi Arabia sent 54,000 cash paying, full tuition students here. Think the Universities, nearby landlords, car dealers, pizza delivery guys and others will notice or not care if they don't come back from Christmas break? Does Ore-Ida potatoes really want to continue selling their very popular products in the region? Will Ford want to lose their #1 dealership in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia? Kuwait is the 4th largest consumer (per capita) of beef in the world after the US, Canada and Australia. Does the Idaho beef council understand this Point is, all banning people does is make them go elsewhere for the same services. This isn't 1960 when we were the only providers of certain goods and services. So is banning them a smart move? When Trump says "just until Congress figures it out..." Took 13 years to fix/remove "no child left behind" so it might be a decade before the ban was lifted and by them, people would have found viable alternatives and at that point the USA brands is ruined. I've only mentioned a few areas to consider, but forgot to mention "who will now rent the Royal suites in Trump Towers?" Hmmmm, those pesky unintended outcomes.
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Go ahead and ban them. Then don't complain when DisneyWorld closes because most of the 59.6 million people who visit annually from Europe, The Middle East and Africa stop coming because of that ruling. Do you think we'll have the "Orlando visa exception?" You need to understand how much our economy depends on foreign investments. Banning Muslims in some knee jerk reaction isn't smart business.
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PO3 John Wagner
Cynthia Croft - You are absolutely correct. "Islam" was never a religion.
This isn't to say the those who identify as Muslim aren't "religious" or spiritually minded.
Remember death is what is proscribed for those who will not convert. Mohammedism was a radical political faction which wanted to control the Middle East. They succeeded.
This isn't to say the those who identify as Muslim aren't "religious" or spiritually minded.
Remember death is what is proscribed for those who will not convert. Mohammedism was a radical political faction which wanted to control the Middle East. They succeeded.
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Maj Mike Sciales
Cynthia Croft - I've been stationed in the Middle East on and off since 1992, my last from 2000-2003. I need to disabuse you of your notion that women are prohibited from visiting those countries. That simply is not true. If you visit Saudi Arabia there is no requirement for western women to wear an abaya. In 2009, in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, a co-ed medical research university opened. While big news in Saudi, there are many co-ed universities throughout the Middle East and have been for many decades. I've spent time in all of the Gulf countries as well as Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt, all of which are heavily Muslim populated countries and I've never seen any of these things you claim are rampant. The behaviors you describe are better attributed to rural regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. You shouldn't indict an entire region for that. You say you want to visit and see Arabian horses? Nothing to stop you, just hop an Emirates air flight to Dubai. They have horse shows regularly. They also have jet boat and airplane races. They even have flash mobs dancing in malls. Since you will doubt me "arguments are what I would expect from an attorney defending an indefensible moral standpoint." (Ouch) I'll just ask you to take the time to do a bit of research on your own. I've attached a link for Visit Dubai. Check it, perhaps it will alleviate your anxieties and you'll gain a new perspective.Don't worry about the food. They have Krispy Kreme and IHOP. Best of luck with your vacation -- but wait until December when it's cooler, plus all the stores are decorated for Christmas.https://www.visitdubai.com/en-us
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Maj Mike Sciales
PO3 John Wagner - While I certainly respect your right to state your opinion, I find tired and worn insults about my profession boorish. I'd have hopes for a more intelligent discourse, but if you insist on continuing to insult me (or any other person) simply because of their occupation you might find your support base diminishing and the folks who monitor the site might have some guidance for you. Please keep it civil. Thank you.
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PO3 John Wagner
Maj Mike Sciales - Good point. Well taken Sir. I had a poor experience with a couple Scrips in the past year and I have unfairly maligned your profession.
I still disagree with your comment but failing to do so civilly certainly does diminish my remarks message. Thank you for pointing that out. I do need an occasional slap down to maintain my integrity.
Threatening to tattle is not something I never do so I am unable to comment on that.
I still disagree with your comment but failing to do so civilly certainly does diminish my remarks message. Thank you for pointing that out. I do need an occasional slap down to maintain my integrity.
Threatening to tattle is not something I never do so I am unable to comment on that.
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Since one has to assume that Trump is not a dummy because he is a billionaire, we have to assume he cares nothing for the United States or he wouldn't make such statements.
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Maj Mike Sciales
Trump has got to just be seeing how far he can go with his brand. He knows he couldn't be president. His only experience in International Affairs is building golf courses, hotels and taking breakfast at the IHOP. He forgot he had a lot of business investment partners in Dubai.....Muslim business partners.......oooops!
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SSG Michael Scott
Sir, he has file for bankruptcy, several times in his life, but he knows how and has to the skills to come back and be successful. Our current COC is limited in those skills.
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